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Pop Adrian: Experimentul Domnului doctor Nuteanu de la Bucuresti + cele 3 experimen
Pop Adrian: Buna seara
OANA GARCEAG: buna seara
Pop Adrian: ati primit mesajul asta pe net ?
OANA GARCEAG: da, l-am citit
Pop Adrian: in care este raportul lui Bogdan si ce-am scris eu la cele 2 experimente dinainte
OANA GARCEAG: da
Pop Adrian: este si experimentul Domnului dr. Nuteanu de la Bucuresti
OANA GARCEAG: cel vechi..
Pop Adrian: trimiteti-mi-l si mie inapoi
Pop Adrian: sa-l dau la tradus Sandei
Pop Adrian: asta care zisai.
OANA GARCEAG: imediat
Pop Adrian: greener_peacer: roag-o sa trimita si la mine
greener_peacer: daca il vad maine dimineata pe la 6 il traduc si il trimit sper pana la 8
greener_peacer: stai sa mai caut si eu
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greener_peacer: ies pe celalalt e-mail
Pop Adrian: va rog mult
OANA GARCEAG: vi l-am trimis
Pop Adrian: azi, Traian s-a intalnit " intamplator " la un magazin....
Pop Adrian: cu Daniela Manu
Pop Adrian: si si-au cerut scuze unul altuia.
Pop Adrian: o sa lucram cu amandoi de-acum inolo
Pop Adrian: sunt amandoi extrem de buni
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Pop Adrian: ma uit. Multumesc
OANA GARCEAG: dar ce s-a intamplat ?
Pop Adrian: tel
Pop Adrian: discutai cu Traian la telefon
Pop Adrian: Nu s-a intamplat nimic, Nu-l aveam decat la birou mesajul...si doream sa fie tradus. Sanda l-a cerut si nu-l avusai.
OANA GARCEAG: nu , ma refeream la Dl Traian si Dna Manu
Pop Adrian: s-a rezolvat
Pop Adrian: erau certati de mult Timp
OANA GARCEAG: am inteles
Pop Adrian: Mi-a luat o noapte si...in dimineata asta, i-am scris lui Traian sa-si ceara scuze si sa o ierte....
Pop Adrian: asa ca s-au intalnit intamplator "azi...
Pop Adrian: este foarte bine acum
OANA GARCEAG: imi pare rau .Bine ca s-a rezolvat
Pop Adrian: Traian era putin suparat ca am trimis mesajul voua.
Pop Adrian: I-am spus ca nu intamplator am facut asta, si mi-a spus aseara sa trimit mesajul lui, la cei apropiati. Lui Liviu, am considerat de cuvinta, Dumneavostra...si lui CZ
Pop Adrian: care este mana mea dreapta
OANA GARCEAG: ok
Pop Adrian: ok
Pop Adrian: Amandoi de la Iasi, sunt o forta FANTASTICA
Pop Adrian: Amandoi
Pop Adrian: o sa-l cautam pe Dl Dr. Popp...din Germania
OANA GARCEAG: va cred... de fapt am vazut din cv..
Pop Adrian: amandoi
Pop Adrian: credeti-ma ca nu puteam sa plecam la drum NOU cu o " galma "
OANA GARCEAG: asa e
Pop Adrian: in acest fel, putem sa intram in cele mai fine sertarase ale Subconstientului.
Pop Adrian: In seara asta doresc sa discut cu Daniela Manu, BAZA de plecare.
Pop Adrian: Am discutat si cu D-na dr.Lucia. Maine imi spune de ce flacoane avem pt cele 3 experimente...HIV, VHB si VHC
OANA GARCEAG: se repeta HIV?
Pop Adrian: DA
Pop Adrian: rezultatul ala nu poate fi prezentat in lume, din motive de teama....
Pop Adrian: de0-aia am mutat totul la Emil.
OANA GARCEAG: de acord cu dvs
Pop Adrian: avem tot ce ne trebuie....
Pop Adrian: am cumparat ce mai aveam nevoie....zilelel astea
OANA GARCEAG: am si eu o problema... ma tot gandesc ...
Pop Adrian: o sa fie bine
Pop Adrian: nu am retinut bine experimentul de la Bucuresti ...facut de Domnul dr. Liviu.
OANA GARCEAG: ca sa nu mai existe "rateuri" la experimente ... nu se poate stabili dinainte protocolul ? ca sa nu fie la kunca in zadar?
Pop Adrian: Cand a fost el facut ?
Pop Adrian: in ce an ?
OANA GARCEAG: stati sa vad..
OANA GARCEAG: nu mai stiu nici eu exact
Pop Adrian: inceputurile orcarei actiuni....sunt cum sunt...
Pop Adrian: acum, STIM
Pop Adrian: Experimentul primul si cel cu HIV, au aratat potentialul real al Domnului doctor.
OANA GARCEAG: banuiesc ca se pot face niste protocoale dinainte... si eventual comunicati si dl dr... poate mai are si dansul niste pareri... nu stiu daca zic bine ce zic...
Pop Adrian: Protocoalele se fac atunci canjd actioneaza, cu datele alea, cele rezultate.
Pop Adrian: Cum a facut Bogdan.
Pop Adrian: Primul n-a fost stiintific, ca a lovit si proba martor.
OANA GARCEAG: asta stiu
Pop Adrian: de-aia nu puteam sa aratam procentele alea imense de la 40-95 %.
Pop Adrian: la HIV, nu putems a aratam ceea ce este CORECT.
Pop Adrian: sa nu-i facem rau Doameni dr. Lucia
Pop Adrian: o sa fie bine
OANA GARCEAG: de acord cu dvs..
Pop Adrian: cu cei doi de la Iasi...cred ca putem sa explicam mai bine, sa captam aceste bioenergii, sa le prelucram si retransmite semenilor, din spatiu
Pop Adrian: ma bucur, ca noaptea, chiar daca a fost alba, m-am gandit la cei doi....si i-am spus lui Traian.
Pop Adrian: Siu traian ca si mine, cand este suparat...se alege praful de aparatele din jur
OANA GARCEAG: asta nu e bine...
Pop Adrian: aseara , de 4 ori am incercat sa transmit mesajul catre el si catre Liciu...si s-a blocat calculatorul. De cate ori incercam....
Pop Adrian: stiu....
Pop Adrian: nu suntem ingeri....
Pop Adrian: dar, analizam situatia si n-o lasam sa iasa de sub control. Am analizat in scris in mii de pagini aceste fenomene....
Pop Adrian: la inceput te disteraza astfeld e Forte PSI.
Pop Adrian: pe urma , dupa ce le constientizezi....incepe studiu...
Pop Adrian: pe urma, vezi cat de important betse sa te stapanesti....
OANA GARCEAG: mie nu imi suna a distractie...
OANA GARCEAG: sau nu prea
OANA GARCEAG: nu gasesc anul experimentului in mail... o sa ma uita acum in cartea dansului ...sa vad daca scrie acolo..
Pop Adrian: te distreaza ca n-ai mai vazut....se ridica obiecte, masini, credeti-ma...
Pop Adrian: fortele sunt imense...
OANA GARCEAG: stiu
Pop Adrian: la inceput este circ...
Pop Adrian: pe urma...pacatuiesti de nu crezi sa folosesti astfeld e forte...
OANA GARCEAG: nu gasesc scris nici in carte... mai caut pe net , stiu ca scria pe undeva...
Pop Adrian: le poti folosi numai in scopuri Nobile.
Pop Adrian: cum face Liviu...
OANA GARCEAG: unii mai au si alte scopuri..
Pop Adrian: ce ?
Pop Adrian: e
Pop Adrian: este gresala nostra daca ei sunt asa.....
OANA GARCEAG: da, dar intrebarea este cine stie de ei?
Pop Adrian: am aflat niste lucruri extraordinare in acest domeniu....
Pop Adrian: atunci cand s-a actiioant de afara....
Pop Adrian: defapt ca replica....
Pop Adrian: ne stim bine...
Pop Adrian: si cand se ridica de pe un aeroport de oriunde din lume....
Pop Adrian: sa lasam asta....
Pop Adrian: mai ales ca am aflat rolul imens, pe care-l are oricine, sa anihileze aceste forte distrugatoare, emanate ...de cel care le emite, in cosmosuri diferite....
Pop Adrian: ok
Pop Adrian: 1. Mircea Ivan (Tufts Univ School of Medicine, USA)
2. Adrian Salic (Harvard Medical School, USA)
3. Sorin Draghici (Wayne State University, USA)
4. Costin-Ioan Popescu ( C_RS, Institut de Biologie, Franta
5. Octavian Voiculescu (University of College London, UK
6. Ioan Ovidiu Sarbu ( University of Ulm, Germania)
7. Icanor Moldovan (Ohio State University, USA)
8. Mihai Ciubotaru (Yale University School Medicine, USA
9. Marin Gheorghe (Tyndal _ational Institute, Irlanda
10. Sergiu Fendrihan (University Salzburg, Austria)
11. Irinel Popescu: trebuie sa le gasim adresele sa le scriu
OANA GARCEAG: ok, va jut cu mare placere . chiar azi i-am scris dlui Nuteanu ca nu stiu , si imi pare rau de asta, ca nu gasesc un mod concret de a-l ajuta pe dansul si echipa... au fost mai demult mailuri trimise la Institute in domeniu f mari , dansii mi-au raspuns , dar cand a fost vorba de dl dr... nu au mai vrut... pt mine a fost un lucru f dureros...
OANA GARCEAG: incerc sa caut adresele de mail
Pop Adrian: stati linistita.....
Pop Adrian: o sa fie bine....
Pop Adrian: Credeti-ma, ca o sa fie bine....
Pop Adrian: Cu cat lucrezi la un domeniu de varf, capabil de schimbare, sistemul vechi se opune...
OANA GARCEAG: ma uit in carte.. din pacate tot nu gasesc anul experimentului... aveti cumva si protocolul experimetelor de la Buc? daca credeti ca foloseste la ceva, pot sa vi-l scanez..
Pop Adrian: trebuie sa ma uit prin mesaje.
Pop Adrian: Mai bine-l intrebam direct pe Domnul Liviu
OANA GARCEAG: ok
Pop Adrian: parca este 1992, daca retin bine.
OANA GARCEAG: nu mai stiu
Pop Adrian: sau 2002.
Pop Adrian: am pierdut informatia asta importanta
Pop Adrian: in 92 a inceput locul...
OANA GARCEAG: in carte nu scrie
Pop Adrian: sa ma uit la mess-urile dintre noi doi.
OANA GARCEAG: s-ar putea sa fie asta : AIM Newsletter Vol 1,No2,1998
OANA GARCEAG: nu sunt f sigura
Pop Adrian: os a ma uit si eu. le pusesem pe forum, dar...Domnul Liviu m-a rugat sa le sterg.
OANA GARCEAG: daca e ce e scris in carte sau poe mail, nu cred ca scrie anul... mai bine mai intrebati odata
OANA GARCEAG: care ar fi urmatorul pas ? se refac experimentele si apoi se trimit la cei din lista ? sau le trimiteti pe cele care sunt ?
Pop Adrian: le repetam....
Pop Adrian: cele care sunt, sunt evidente...dar, sa stim noi si mai bine....
Pop Adrian: ca vrems a iesim si in reviste de specialitate
OANA GARCEAG: ok
Pop Adrian: Buna seara Domnule doctor,
Am discutat cu Doamna dr. Lucia si mi-a spus ca maine imi spune ce flacoane avem, pt urmatoarele experimente.
Bogdan se duce la Iasi maine. Poate gasim ceva linii celulare la Traian. Are treaba acolo si daca tot ajunge acolo, sa-l cunoasca pe Traian.
Importan este ca Traian discuta cu Daniela.
In seara asta analizam BAZA de plecare cu Daniela Manu.
OANA GARCEAG: aveti adresele de mail pt diaspora pe email..
Pop Adrian: care ?
Pop Adrian: de la cele doua ziariste ?
OANA GARCEAG: lista de mai sus
Pop Adrian: NU
Pop Adrian: nimic nu am
OANA GARCEAG: acum am trimis
OANA GARCEAG: tb sa ajunga
Pop Adrian: MULTUMESC
OANA GARCEAG: va mai trimit un site , unde mai gasiti si alte personalitati din diaspora , cu tot cu adrese si telefoane
Pop Adrian: Cum sa nu
OANA GARCEAG: l-am trimis
Pop Adrian: Multumesc
Pop Adrian: am trimis niste mailuri, le-ati primit
OANA GARCEAG: da,
Pop Adrian: cu traducerea si catre Domnul Liviu
OANA GARCEAG: ok, n-am apucat sa ma uit
OANA GARCEAG: primul, de la bucuresti este deja tradus in engleza ...
OANA GARCEAG: vi l-a trimis si dl dr ... cred
Pop Adrian: Da
Pop Adrian: ati facut rost de adresele acestor domni vad
Pop Adrian: Mare lucru. Sarut mana
OANA GARCEAG: da
Pop Adrian: fantastic
OANA GARCEAG: nu pierd timpul..
OANA GARCEAG: adica nu imi trebuie prea mult sa gasesc ceva..
Pop Adrian: ati ramas tot asa.....actionand in puncte cheie.
Pop Adrian: mare lucru
OANA GARCEAG: o sa ma uit si pe traduceri... si daca doriti, sau daca nu se supara dna Romosan , o sa trimit si varianta mea ... apoi vedeti care "suna" mai bine..
Pop Adrian: eu cu ce ?
Pop Adrian: ca nu stiu atat de bine engleza.
Pop Adrian: si Sanda este orgolioasa....
Pop Adrian: Ne-am mai certat pt traducerea doamnei din Canada
OANA GARCEAG: ok.. cum credeti...
Pop Adrian: Multumesc.
Pop Adrian: Mai bine, am ace amandoi o lista pe unde trimitem mesjul nostru de colaborare
Pop Adrian: dupa care facem acest mesaj.
Pop Adrian: si vedem ce scriu si ceilalti coechipieri, mai ales domnul Liviu
OANA GARCEAG: ok, m-as bucura ...
Pop Adrian: ok
Pop Adrian: sa lucram amandoi al strategii de lucru
OANA GARCEAG: startegia ca strategia, subiectul lipseste deocamdata...
Pop Adrian: http://zalmoxa.11.forumer.com/viewtopic ... 9462df7a45
Pop Adrian: Institutul Dr Liviu Nuteanu...
Pop Adrian: os a strangem bani sa facem un spital doatat, sa revina acasa.
Pop Adrian: asa am discutat
OANA GARCEAG: m-as bucura enorm...sa fie asa..
Pop Adrian: http://zalmoxa.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1598
Pop Adrian: si eu
Pop Adrian: Asa va fi
OANA GARCEAG: sper
OANA GARCEAG: acum o sa va las, e tarziu siu concediul s-a cam terminat... va doresc o noapte linistita !
Pop Adrian: concediul ?
OANA GARCEAG: da
Pop Adrian: asa de scurt ?
OANA GARCEAG: doar 2 zile ...
OANA GARCEAG: din pacate... am avut ceva probleme de rezolvat
Pop Adrian: ok. Nb
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Unread postApr 28, 2010#2
----- Original Message -----
From: Oana Garceag
To: adi pop
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 12:43 AM
Subject: diaspora-alte adrese
http://www.biochim.ro/events/2008/Prog_Trends2k8.htm
Unread postApr 28, 2010#3
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greener_peacer: adi, te deranjez un minut
greener_peacer: e ok ce am tradus sau trebuie altceva tradus?
greener_peacer: eu am inteles ca trebuie tradus din romana in engleza
greener_peacer: si catalin mi-atrimis din engleza in romana
greener_peacer: e ok?
Pop Adrian: stai
Pop Adrian: nu
Pop Adrian: era alt meaj al meu
Pop Adrian: cu primul experiment, al doilea si al treilea
Pop Adrian: incepea cu cel de la Bucuresti
greener_peacer: adi , eu am cautat si n-am gasit nimic
Pop Adrian: ii spusai la telefon lui Catalin sa-ti trimita
Pop Adrian: eu il am la firma
greener_peacer: a trimis cu totul altceva
Pop Adrian: e...
greener_peacer: si i-am scris si nu mi-a mai raspuns
Pop Adrian: ce sa zic
Pop Adrian: este prins cu copiii
greener_peacer: vezi tu te rog ca cred ca eu nu am nimic de la bogdan
Pop Adrian: Buna seara, Adrian.
Azi noapte pe la trei, am primit misiunea de a finaliza un curs ANATECOR despre comunicarea terapeutica. Despre puterea terapeutica a cuvintului, a gindului... Ce mi-e mai drag sa fac, dintre toate strategiile de vindecare. Asa incit continui si acum, pina inspre miezul noptii, cind sper sa termin.
Ne mai auzim noi, sa vorbim asa, ca intre baieti... despre experienta falimentara de care mi-ai povestit.
Tare sugestiva. Cam pe acolo ma aflu si eu.
T.
PS. Cind primesc datele in engleza, le trimit lui Chris, spre a le transmite mai departe.
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Pop Adrian: stai sa vad unde este
Pop Adrian: daca ma striga al mic, ma duc s-l culc
greener_peacer: trebuie sa doarma deja!
greener_peacer: nu prea ai grija de ala mic!
Pop Adrian: e
greener_peacer: rusinica
Pop Adrian: e
Pop Adrian: Doina
greener_peacer: iar pui vina pe Ea
Pop Adrian: e
greener_peacer: trimite te rog ce trebuie tradus maine
Pop Adrian: caut
greener_peacer: eu maine plec la ora 9 acolo la sediul firmei
Pop Adrian: nu am
greener_peacer: ok
Pop Adrian: stai sa caut pe yahoo
greener_peacer: nu stiu cand ma intorc
greener_peacer: ok
Pop Adrian: nu am
greener_peacer: cum se numea
greener_peacer: e-mailukl
greener_peacer: daca iti amintesti
Pop Adrian: ca cel trimis de Traian
greener_peacer: sau cam pe cand a fost transmis
Pop Adrian: Experimentul Domnului doctor Nuteanu de la Bucuresti + cele 3 experimen
Pop Adrian: azi
Pop Adrian: asa
Pop Adrian: Traian l-a primit
greener_peacer: asta l-am tradus
greener_peacer: dar nu era nimic de D-l Nuteanu
greener_peacer: era numai o poveste in engleza despre emotii si ADN
Pop Adrian: ii scriu Oanei
greener_peacer: asta am tradus
Pop Adrian: l-o fi primit si ea
greener_peacer: ok
Pop Adrian: nu ma, ce-am scris eu si raportul lui BOGDAN
greener_peacer: roag-o sa trimita si la mine
greener_peacer: daca il vad maine dimineata pe la 6 il traduc si il trimit sper pana la 8
greener_peacer: stai sa mai caut si eu
greener_peacer: ies pe celalalt e-mail
Pop Adrian: OANA GARCEAG: buna seara
Pop Adrian: ati primit mesajul asta pe net ?
OANA GARCEAG: da, l-am citit
Pop Adrian: in care este raportul lui Bogdan si ce-am scris eu la cele 2 experimente dinainte
OANA GARCEAG: da
Pop Adrian: este si experimentul Domnului dr. Nuteanu de la Bucuresti
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OANA GARCEAG: cel vechi..
Pop Adrian: trimiteti-mi-l si mie inapoi
Pop Adrian: sa-l dau la tradus Sandei
Pop Adrian: asta care zisai.
Pop Adrian: ok
Pop Adrian: ti-l trimit imediat
greener_peacer: astept
greener_peacer: ok
Pop Adrian: OANA GARCEAG: imediat
Pop Adrian: greener_peacer: roag-o sa trimita si la mine
greener_peacer: daca il vad maine dimineata pe la 6 il traduc si il trimit sper pana la 8
greener_peacer: stai sa mai caut si eu
greener_peacer is typing a message.
greener_peacer: ies pe celalalt e-mail
Pop Adrian: va rog mult
Pop Adrian: te rog
Pop Adrian: azi, Traian s-a intalnit " intamplator " la un magazin....
Pop Adrian: cu Daniela Manu
Pop Adrian: si si-au cerut scuze unul altuia.
Pop Adrian: o sa lucram cu amandoi de-acum inolo
Pop Adrian: sunt amandoi extrem de buni
greener_peacer: se pare ca d-l Traian este f bun
greener_peacer: din cate am citit
greener_peacer: nimic nu e intamplator.......
Pop Adrian: amm trimis
greener_peacer: pe adresa asta sau pe cealalta
greener_peacer: ies pe cealalta
greener_peacer: pa
Pop Adrian: sanda romosan
greener_peacer: ok ies acum
Pop Adrian: tel
greener_peacer: am trimis traducerea
greener_peacer: nb
Pop Adrian: Sarut mana
Pop Adrian: ii scriam lui Liviu
greener_peacer: culca-te
Pop Adrian: e
Pop Adrian: stai
Pop Adrian: ca mai am
greener_peacer: ok
Pop Adrian: te pup
greener_peacer: pa nb
Pop Adrian: pa nb
greener_peacer: mai este ceva de tradus?
greener_peacer: trimite repede
greener_peacer: ?
greener_peacer: nb
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Unread postApr 29, 2010#4
----- Original Message -----
From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: STANCIULESCU TRAIAN
Cc: adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Chris si colaborari
Multumim mult Traian.
Nu este nici o neintelegere. Totul este in ordine.
Ajutorul doamnei doctor este binevenit.
Realizarea de experimente si la Iasi si in Japonia este binevenita.
Asa cum am discutat cu mai multi preoti, tratamentele spirituale (rugaciuni sau alte modalitati, inclusiv ``comuniunea sfintilor``), in grup, trebuiesc efectuate si analizate de catre Biserica, prin preoti.
Doamne fereste de epidemie. Daca vom fi solicitati vreodata pentru asa ceva, vom vedea cum actionam.
Eu lucrez prin transmiterea de informatie, nu prin amplitudine/forta de unde. Deci nu am ce amplifica. Cei care actioneaza prin transfer de energie, cred ca Rezonatorul Biofotonic poate avea un rol exceptional. Desigur, ma incadrez cu multa placere in echipa care va utiliza RB si daca am vreo idee o transmit imediat.
Cred ca cel mai bine este o formulare de genul `` am dori sa colaboram in cadrul unor proiecte oficiale``.
Cu bine,
Liviu
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From: STANCIULESCU TRAIAN
To: liviusn@yahoo.com
Cc: adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 11:18:23 AM
Subject: Re: traducere cele 3 experimente in ro si engleza
Dragii mei,
Va imbratisez, inca din zori de zi...
De la 4,30 cind am reusit sa inchei ziua de ieri si pina acum citeva ore, cind am inceput-o pe cea de azi, s-au intimplat deja citeva lucruri semnificative, pe care vreau sa vi le comunic.
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In primul rind, am meditat cu ochii inchisi la modul in care eu, am interpretat sensurile raspunsului primit deunazi de la Christopher Johannes. Recitindu-l acum, cu ochi limpezi, realizez ca aceasta interpretare nu a fost cea potrivita. Mu poor English... Traducindu-i superficial cuvintele, eu am inteles ca, asemenea oricarui occidental, Chris vrea sa isi stie de la bun inceput atributiile in cadrul echipei. De fapt, el spune de fapt ca oriunde ar fi pozitionat in aceasta echipa, fie si in calitate de ultim contribuabil / semnatar, va fi onorat sa o faca, data fiind exceptionala relevanta stiintifica si spirituala a cercetarii. Exact asa gindeste si actioneaza Chris, generos si implicativ pina la margini.
Ca atare, va cer iertare, dragilor, ca fara sa vreau am generat citeva disfunctii de interpretare care nu apartin prietenului meu, ci mie. Oboseala, graba si bucurie laolalta, nici nu mai importanta cauza generatoare.
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Deja i-am scris in aceasta dimineata lui Chris, mesajul pe care vi-l anexez voua si in care am inserat si sugestia de minima asteptare, pina la definitivarea sintezei experimentale, asa cum noi am discutat deja.
Oricum, urmind chiar propria-i sugestie-rugaminte, dialogul se va derula de acum intre noi, toti, simultan.
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Ceea ce am mai facut in plus in aceasta dimineata a fost sa vorbesc de dimineata cu Dr. Beatrice Lucache, membru al echipei mele, un deosebit medic specializat in terapii complementare (practici bioenergetice) si care, in consecinta, crediteaza intru totul deschiderea noastra stiintifica...
Intrucit Beatrice dispune de o serie de aparate de masura a fenomenelor de biorezonta, m-am gindit ca verificarea rezultatelor experimentului de inhibare ar putea fi verificate nu numai prin probe biochimice sau microscopice clasice, ci si cu aparatele de care dispunem noi aici. Bunaoara, evidentierea prin efect Kirlian / electronografic a gradului de bioluminiscenta al tesutului inainte si dupa experiment ar trebui sa indice o drastica scadere, pina la disparitie a acestuia. Si alte tipuri de masuratori, ar putea evidentia acelasi tip de remisie, desigur...
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In acest context, am gindit principial un experiment pe care vi-l supun atentiei, ca alternativa: acela de a realiza, daca este posibil, o influentare in "dublu orb" a experimentului, simultan la Craiova si la Iasi, ale carei efecte le-am putea monitoriza noi. Apoi, am putea extinde distanta de verificare a influentei pina in Japonia, in laboratorul lui Chris.
Astfel, s-ar putea valida forta de dispersie PSI a emitatorului individual sau, mai apoi colectiv, asa cum "comuniunea sfiintilor" deja a validat ca se poate.
Prin aceasta, am putea verifica in ce masura "gindul vindecator" acopera doar o tinta punctuala sau una larg dispersata. Ginditi-va la beneficiile unei atare dispersii in caz de epidemie...
Cred, de asemenea, ca forta mentala a lui Liviu, ca emitent bio/ psiho/laser, ar putea fi sustinuta substantial prin utilizarea unui amplificator de biounde precum Rezonatorul Biofotonic.
Cine stie...aceasta idee ar putea fi verificata in cadrul unui alt posibil experiment.
***
In plus, am rugat-o pe Beatrice sa afle de unde s-ar putea obtine citeva probe de celule / tesut tumoral. Nu am stiut insa sa ii spun exact daca este obligatoriu ca tesutul prelevat sa fie uman, sau si animal, bunaoara... Oricum, se va interesa miine ce alternative sint cu privire la aceasta nevoie.
***
Atit, pentru acum. Trec la cele firesti ale zilei, pe care nu stiu cum sa le mai prind din urma.
Ca atare, cu drag, pe mai tirziu.
Traian
MESAJ TRANSMIS LUI CHRIS
Dear Chris,
It's wonderful.
My friends and partners have apreciated so much all your good intentions, your potential implications.... We all are connected to each other... I sent them your messages, too... So, implicitely you were "on line" with us, you were present in the dialogues of our potential team.
But, starting from now - having your acceptance - I will connect you directly with Dr. Liviu Nuteanu (liviusn@yahoo.com), our exceptional neuro-surgeon (he is working in Spain now), the PSI waves emittor, and Ing. Adrian Pop (adipop@popservice.ro), the "soul" of the experiments promotion in Romania and not only.
My scientific team from Iasi just added, biophotonically and not only, to their so exciting experiments and scientific efforts.
***
Chris,
I want to know that you are the first who - having myself as a mediator - our team internationally contacted, for starting such an essential and human mission: the RAINBOW accomplishing: to cure people from distance, maybe in group, who knows...
In this way, our commune mission will be a double one: as a scientific contributor / researcher for realizing different stages of the project, and as specific mediators and promotors of the obtained results.
In a first hand, I just suggested to my friends that we could realize / repeat the same similary experiment having youself as a monitor resercher, in the Japonese laboratory of AU, maybe. It will be great to try a "double blind" experiment, if this will be possible etc.
In the second hand, concerning your mediation with the international group of interest, scientific or / and financial, we decided to wait for a while (not much) until a very clear and rigurouse synthesis / presentation of the expriments will be realized. Having it, we will be able to sustain very well justified any international proposal possible, connected to all the possible applications...
***
By keeping permanently opened our partnership, in RAINBOW yours.
Traian
----- Original Message -----
From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: Christopher Johannes ; adipop@popservice.ro
Cc: tdstanciu@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Distant Healing Research
Dear Professor Johannes,
Thank you very much for your message.
In the past years I have contacted IONS and the distinguished colleagues you mention.
Except Dan Benor with who I have a correspondence, the others' reply has not come.
Congratulations for your activity.
If in the future you think our group can join yours, would be excellent. I found this very interesting mention on the site you sent me:
"His private group practice in England and Japan have offered multimodal treatment services integrating homeopathic and behavioral medicine, polarity therapy, counseling and psychotherapy."
For example in severe diseases where your group don't offer treatment. Maybe some types of cancers ? Or ALS, where I can stop the disease in onset cases ? Or, if you prefere, you can ask me where you would like to extend your offers.
Of course, before to practically start such a collaboration I gladly accept you check out with the most complex possibilities my effect - clinically and where available also in laboratory.
So, if you can assist us and collaborate with us, adding "energy treatment" to your multimodal treatment services, I think it will be very good for both groups.
If your reply would be positive, I can send you a list with offers and some examples. Then, you can ask me as much as you consider necessary, then to select the diseases of interest for you to treat and to check my effects. Of course, then to continue to work.
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Christopher Johannes
To: liviusn@yahoo.com; adipop@popservice.ro
Cc: "tdstanciu@yahoo.com" ; drckj070@hotmail.com
Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 2:05:25 PM
Subject: Distant Healing Research
Dear distinguised colleagues, Drs. Liviu Nuteanu and Ing. Adrian Pop:
I learned of your work and experiments with distant healing from Dr. Traian Stanciulescu. This is promising work that I hope continues. Though I do not have laboratory facilities, budgets, and resources in my current to contribute much, please let me know if I can assist and/or collaborate to carry your work forward. I have already informed Dr. Stanciulescu about contacts that may well help to continue, build, and develop this research:
Your first and perhaps most essential contact for international collaboration and support will be the following (http://www.noetic.org/research/dh/links.html, see general details www.noetic.org/research/dh/main.html). Here you will be able to draw on the successess of colleagues who have been active throughout the distant healing research fields of endeavor currently and in recent years.
For a write up and publication of your initial work (collected work), I recommend Dr. Dan Benor`s international journal, and he himself is an excellent contact for furthering the work -- Dr. Daniel J. Benor (www.wholistichealingresearch.com)
Certainly, you will be in good company of distinguished colleagues doing this work with the Intention Experiment`s team (http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/t ... tific_team). You will likely be in contact with several of these distinguished colleagues already. If not, great time to say hello!
And also--
Dr. Larry Dossey (www.dosseydossey.com)
Dr. Dean Radin (www.deanradin.com)
Finally, general resources and information for international/global context and also to see what`s been done well previously--
The Global Coherence Intitiative (www.glcoherence.org/)
You may also want to collaborate with colleagues of the late Dr. Elisabeth Targ (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Targ)
I hope that helps.
Best wishes in this valuable endeavor!!
Chris Johannes
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
----- Original Message -----
From: adi pop
To: Liviu NUTEANU
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 9:51 AM
Subject: Sunt foarte atent la calitatile Omenesti ale acestora.
Buna dimineata Domnule doctor,
O sa fie din ce in ce mai bine. Am plecat cu totii serios la drum nou, ceea ce inseamna ca suntem pe drumul cel bun.
Paramatrul care-mi indica acest lucru, il reprezinta persoanele care ni se alatura zilnic.
Sunt foarte atent la calitatile Omenesti ale acestora. Perseverand, nu vom face altceva decat sa polarizam fortele creatoare ale Neamului nostru....si cele ale semenilor, de peste tot.
O zi Minunata,
adi
----- Original Message -----
From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: Petre Savescu ; Adi pop ; STANCIULESCU TRAIAN ; Bogdan Stanoiu ; naidin cornel ; Godeanu Emil ; Parvuloiu Constantin ; dungureanu@rdscv.ro ; Vlad Teodorescu ; michaelschmidt@clicknet.ro ; talk2nicu@yahoo.com ; nicolaenacioiu@yahoo.com ; apatrutz@yahoo.com ; lucian.pricina@mmediu.ro ; sanda romosan ; Oana Garceag ; Elena Templu ; Cornul Abundentei ; eu_sunt9910@yahoo.com ; Pavel madalina ; revansa1@yahoo.com ; bussinespartener@yahoo.com ; enciudoru@yahoo.com ; vovan323@yahoo.fr ; dan_dana2005@yahoo.com ; Dana Anitescu ; Ioana Alex ; Gabriel Vladut ; research@popservice.ro ; flori@popservice.ro ; doinap ; Cristina Stroe ; catalin_ruris@yahoo.com ; bender ; Jean Mugurel Petrescu
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: in atasament lucrarile de la Conferinte... mesaj 1-conf1
Buna dimineta,
Multumesc.
Problema nu este la noi. Trebuie numai sa gandeasca ei pozitiv (ganduri bune), sa vrea sa colaboreze cu noi.
In astfel de situatii, daca cineva are bunavointa, spune ceva de genul "sigur, verificam in laboratorul nostru, dupa metodele noastre si daca obtinem date similare stabilim o colaborare grozava". Asa se face in mod curent. Verifica ei.
Sigur, din moment ce doamna doctor si Emil doresc sa continuam cu VHB si Traian a propus sa repetam si la Iasi (domnul profesor din Japonia nu a confirmat deocamdata ca doreste sa colaboreze cu noi), vom face si acestea.
Dupa aceea, daca se pot obtine proiecte oficiale, care este urmatorul pas logic, mergem mai departe, daca nu, avem multe altele de facut fiecare.
Acesta este adevarul.
Cu bine,
Liviu
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Petre Savescu
To: Liviu NUTEANU ; Adi pop
Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 8:20:31 PM
Subject: in atasament lucrarile de la Conferinte... mesaj 1-conf1
Buna seara tuturor,
am vorbit cu niste prieteni care au fost organizatori la Conferintele COMSOL Boston si Milano 2009 sa-mi trimita toate lucrarile (si prezentarile in plen -acolo unde exista) care au fost sustinute in cadrul acestor conferinte si, in mod special pe partea care ne intereseaza pe noi...in primele experimente...
Chiar daca la multe dintre lucrari apare un centru de greutate axat pe modelare matematica, din majoritatea lucrarilor se poate observa clar si protocoalele de lucru, tehnica folosita si acceptata la nivel mondial actual...
Eu le consider interesante...
Acolo,firesc, vor aparea si adresele de e-mail ale autorilor pe care ii putem astfel contacta in viitor pentru eventualele colaborari - acolo unde membrii echipei considera necesar...
Pentru o mai buna transmitere a lucrarilor si prezentarilor am impartit cei 30 de Mb in 4 arhive Conf 1-Conf 4 si le voi trimite, cu ingaduinta Dvs, ca atasamente la 3 sau 4 mesaje.
O seara cat mai buna in continuare,
Petre
Unread postMay 02, 2010#7
Dear Chris,
I have also contacted years ago Dean Radin and many others from IONS and from different other institutions. Sometimes kind replies and some short correspondence with few exceptions.
I contacted Marilyn Schlitz without reply. Then, I have met in Santa Fe, where I have been invited as speaker, James O'Dea, at that time IONS President, Cleve Backster, Russel Targ (they highly congratulate me for my book "Bioenergy and integrative medicine") and many others. Russel said me to wrote to Marilyn Schlitz that I have his recommendation to work with me inside IONS. This time I have received very soon a warm reply, that we should start immediately to work. But this was all ...
Of course, I will contact again Marilyn Schlitz and this time also Dr. Cassandra Vieten.
I will send you some data in separate emails.
We don't have a protocol for distance healing, we are just trying to check out how it works. I have patients in USA, EU and other countries, but only occasional.
Yes, if would be possible, we would like to join your network of distance healing, for patients located anywhere in the world.
Sure, if your japanese contacts will agree to also work with us, would be great.
Concerning "positivist scientific", I would like to emphasize all what I write as good results, are 100% scientific, reproducible, with similar effects. Only medicine based on proofs.
Maybe some of your japanese friends would be interested to collaborate with us to highly diminish the earthquake activity in Japan. This is very easy to check out. They have permanent registration of earthquake activity, because of the most intense such activity in the world. They have in Japan weekly or even daily small earthquakes. So, if they just think "positivist scientific" something like "If this doctor really can do what he say, we will collaborate with him, if not, we will say to him the reality; and we will just look our daily routine graphics, tell him a day and hour to action. If he really can reduce the earthquake activity at least half as time and intensity, this mean instead of a devastating earthquake grading 8, we will have only a small 4 degrees one."
Practically, what they have to do more than daily activity, is to send me a message before with the day and hour when they want I action. Of course, then, for the collaboration, they have much more to do. But they spend annually millions of dollars only to monitor earthquake activity. I think they should be interested for a modality to reduce earthquake activity. Anyhow, on theirs sites it is written there is a national problem.
Sure, I will also contact Dr. Radin, then Dr. Dossey, Dr. Rustum Roy, Dr. Gary Schwartz (University of Arizona), and others.
Sorry, but I am neurosurgeon and do not have time for letters and telephones except for precise and important things. Of course, if we will work together and have to phone to anyone you recommend me, no problem.
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Christopher Johannes
To: liviusn@yahoo.com
Cc: "tdstanciu@yahoo.com" ; adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 5:44:15 PM
Subject: RE: Distant Healing Research
Dear Dr. Prof. Liviu Nuteanu:
Please... call me "Chris".
Thank you for your reply message. Yes, Dan Benor is usually very communicative. For Dr. Dean Radin and the IONS colleagues, let me give you some other direct emails... for Dr. Dean Radin (also with offices at IONS), dean@noetic.org, for Dr. Marilyn Schlitz (President of IONS and Director of Research), mschlitz@noetic.org, and for quicker replies on research projects involving distance healing in collaboration with IONS, contact Dr. Cassandra Vieten, cassivieten@noetic.org.
Yes, please send me whatever you like to bring me up to speed. If I can learn a protocol for distance healing that you use and join you as one of the "healers", that may also be interesting. As it relates to distance healing from you and your team for patients here... it may take some time and networking. At the clinic I have been affiliated with, it may work for the occasional patient, and provided we can get the required consent and disclosure passed through the medical director out here, I think it may work. If you know of Dr. Hiroshi Motoyama (who also heads up a school in Encinitas, California), I think he may have some good leads as well for clinics in Japan to collaborate... as would the Tokyo Integrative Medicine Village and the Japan Holistic Medicine Society and the Japan Transpersonal Psychology Association, headed up by Dr. Ando of Tokyo University. It will be difficult to arrange contacts directly with the new Integrative Medicine program chief at Kyoto university, and they tend to be very conservative... but I can try. All of this can take quite a long time and may not come to fruition anytime soon due to the way things work out here in Japan (e.g. personal contacts and meetings, and a very conservative "old school" positivist scientific materialist bias).
In the meantime, please contact Dr. Schlitz and Dr. Radin, both of whom can put you in contact with Dr. Dossey, Dr. Rustum Roy, Dr. Gary Schwartz (University of Arizona), and others (who usually will never respond to anything other than an airmailed letter or personal telephone call!
If Dr. Schlitz or Dr. Radin don't reply, again, an airmailed letter or telephone WILL do the trick.
Will stand by for more... and will see what I can do from here.
Great work! And happy to be connected!
Warm regards,
Chris
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:58:21 -0700
From: liviusn@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Distant Healing Research
To: drckj070@hotmail.com; adipop@popservice.ro
CC: tdstanciu@yahoo.com
Dear Professor Johannes,
Thank you very much for your message.
In the past years I have contacted IONS and the distinguished colleagues you mention.
Except Dan Benor with who I have a correspondence, the others' reply has not come.
Congratulations for your activity.
If in the future you think our group can join yours, would be excellent. I found this very interesting mention on the site you sent me:
"His private group practice in England and Japan have offered multimodal treatment services integrating homeopathic and behavioral medicine, polarity therapy, counseling and psychotherapy."
For example in severe diseases where your group don't offer treatment. Maybe some types of cancers ? Or ALS, where I can stop the disease in onset cases ? Or, if you prefere, you can ask me where you would like to extend your offers.
Of course, before to practically start such a collaboration I gladly accept you check out with the most complex possibilities my effect - clinically and where available also in laboratory.
So, if you can assist us and collaborate with us, adding "energy treatment" to your multimodal treatment services, I think it will be very good for both groups.
If your reply would be positive, I can send you a list with offers and some examples. Then, you can ask me as much as you consider necessary, then to select the diseases of interest for you to treat and to check my effects. Of course, then to continue to work.
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Christopher Johannes
To: liviusn@yahoo.com; adipop@popservice.ro
Cc: "tdstanciu@yahoo.com" ; drckj070@hotmail.com
Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 2:05:25 PM
Subject: Distant Healing Research
Dear distinguised colleagues, Drs. Liviu Nuteanu and Ing. Adrian Pop:
I learned of your work and experiments with distant healing from Dr. Traian Stanciulescu. This is promising work that I hope continues. Though I do not have laboratory facilities, budgets, and resources in my current to contribute much, please let me know if I can assist and/or collaborate to carry your work forward. I have already informed Dr. Stanciulescu about contacts that may well help to continue, build, and develop this research:
Your first and perhaps most essential contact for international collaboration and support will be the following (http://www.noetic.org/research/dh/links.html, see general details www.noetic.org/research/dh/main.html). Here you will be able to draw on the successess of colleagues who have been active throughout the distant healing research fields of endeavor currently and in recent years.
For a write up and publication of your initial work (collected work), I recommend Dr. Dan Benor`s international journal, and he himself is an excellent contact for furthering the work -- Dr. Daniel J. Benor (www.wholistichealingresearch.com)
Certainly, you will be in good company of distinguished colleagues doing this work with the Intention Experiment`s team (http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/t ... tific_team). You will likely be in contact with several of these distinguished colleagues already. If not, great time to say hello!
And also--
Dr. Larry Dossey (www.dosseydossey.com)
Dr. Dean Radin (www.deanradin.com)
Finally, general resources and information for international/global context and also to see what`s been done well previously--
The Global Coherence Intitiative (www.glcoherence.org/)
You may also want to collaborate with colleagues of the late Dr. Elisabeth Targ (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Targ)
I hope that helps.
Best wishes in this valuable endeavor!!
Chris Johannes
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
----- Original Message -----
From: sanda romosan
To: adipop@popservice.ro ; Zalmoxa
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: Fw: re traducere -Distant Healing Research
Traducerea acasta am mai trimis-o odata ieri 1 mai
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: sanda romosan
To: adipop@popservice.ro; Zalmoxa
Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 1:34:26 PM
Subject: re traducere -Distant Healing Research
traducerea....
---- Original Message -----
From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: Christopher Johannes ; adipop@popservice.ro
Cc: tdstanciu@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Distant Healing Research/ cercetare in domeniul vindecarii la distanta
Stimate Domnule Profesor Johannes,
Vă mulţumesc foarte mult pentru mesaj.
În ultimii ani, am contactat IONS şi pe distinsii colegii mentionati de Dvs.
Cu excepţia lui Dan Benor cu care am o corespondenta, răspunsul celorlalti nu l-am primit.
Dacă, în viitor, credeţi că grupul nostrum se poate alătura grupului vostru , ar fi excelent. Am găsit această menţiune foarte interesant pe mesajul trimis de tine:
"Practica grupului sau privat din Anglia şi Japonia a oferit servicii de tratament multimodal prin integrarea medicinii homeopatice şi celei comportamentale, terapia polarităţii, consiliere si psihoterapie."
De exemplu, în caz de boli grave unde grupul dumneavoastră nu oferă tratament. Poate unele tipuri de cancer? Sau ALS unde eu pot opri boala în cazurile de debut a acesteia? Sau, dacă aţi prefera, puteţi să mă întrebati unde doriţi să se extindeti ofertele Dvs.
Desigur, înainte de a începe, practic, o astfel de colaborare as accepta bucuros să verificaţi cu posibilităţile cele mai complexe efectul actiunii mele , clinic, şi unde este disponibil, de asemenea, si în laborator.
Deci, dacă puteţi să ne sprijiniti si să colaborati cu noi, adăugând "tratament prin energie" la serviciile Dvs de tratament multimodal , cred că va fi foarte bune pentru ambele grupuri.
Dacă răspunsul dumneavoastră va fi pozitiv, pot trimite o lista cu oferte şi cu câteva exemple. Apoi, puteţi să mă întrebati / rugati cât de mult consideraţi necesar, apoi sa selectati bolile ce prezinta interes pentru dumneavoastra pentru a le trata şi pentru a verifica efectele actiunii mele. Desigur, apoi să continuam să lucram mai departe.
Cu stima
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
From: Christopher Johannes
To: liviusn@yahoo.com; adipop@popservice.ro
Cc: "tdstanciu@yahoo.com" ; drckj070@hotmail.com
Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 2:05:25 PM
Subject: Distant Healing Research/ Cercetare pentru vindecare la distanta
Distinsi colegi , doctor. Liviu Nuteanu si Ing. Adrian Pop:
Am aflat de munca dvs si experimente cu vindecarea la distanţă de la Dr. Traian Stanciulescu. Aceasta este o munca ce promite care sper ca va continua. Deşi eu nu dispun de echipamente de laborator, bugete şi resurse de a contribui cu mult, va rog spuneti-mi să ştiu dacă pot să ajut şi / sau colaborez pentru a efectua / continua munca dvs mai departe. Am informat deja pe dr. Stanciulescu despre contactele care pot ajuta bine de a continua, construe si dezvolta această cercetare:
Primul contact şi, probabil, cel mai important pentru colaborarea internaţională şi sprijin va fi urmatorul ((http://www.noetic.org/research/dh/links.html, a se vedea detaliile generale www.noetic.org/research/dh/main.html).. Aici veţi putea vedea succesele colegilor care au fost activi in toate domeniile de cercetare in care s-au depus eforturi în prezent şi în ultimii ani privind vindecarea la distanţă
Pentru in registrarea si publicarea muncii dumneavoastră iniţiale (munca colectata), recomand revista internationala a lui Dr. Dan Benor `s , şi el insusi este o persoană de contact excelenta pentru continuarea lucrărilor - Dr. Daniel J. Benor (www.wholistichealingresearch. com)
Desigur, veti fi intr-o bună legatura cu colegii distinsi de la echipa de experimentare a intentiilor
(http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/t ... tific_team).
Veţi fi probabil în contact cu cativa dintre acesti colegii distinsi deja. Dacă nu, un moment potrivit de a ii Saluta!
si de asemenea...
Dr. Larry Dossey (www.dosseydossey.com)
Dr. Dean Radin (www.deanradin.com)
În cele din urmă, resurse şi informaţii generale pentru contextul internaţional /global şi, de asemenea, pentru a vedea ceea ce s-a facut bine, anterior in trecut -
Global Coerenţa Intitiative (www.glcoherence.org/)
Poate doriti , de asemenea, să colaborati cu colegii recenti Dr. Elisabeth Targ (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Targ)
Sper că vă ajută.
Cele mai bune urări în acest efort valoros!
Chris Johannes
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: adi pop
To: sanda romosan
Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 9:36:23 PM
Subject: Fw: Distant Healing Research
----- Original Message -----
From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: Christopher Johannes ; adipop@popservice.ro
Cc: tdstanciu@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Distant Healing Research
Dear Professor Johannes,
Thank you very much for your message.
In the past years I have contacted IONS and the distinguished colleagues you mention.
Except Dan Benor with who I have a correspondence, the others' reply has not come.
Congratulations for your activity.
If in the future you think our group can join yours, would be excellent. I found this very interesting mention on the site you sent me:
"His private group practice in England and Japan have offered multimodal treatment services integrating homeopathic and behavioral medicine, polarity therapy, counseling and psychotherapy."
For example in severe diseases where your group don't offer treatment. Maybe some types of cancers ? Or ALS, where I can stop the disease in onset cases ? Or, if you prefere, you can ask me where you would like to extend your offers.
Of course, before to practically start such a collaboration I gladly accept you check out with the most complex possibilities my effect - clinically and where available also in laboratory.
So, if you can assist us and collaborate with us, adding "energy treatment" to your multimodal treatment services, I think it will be very good for both groups.
If your reply would be positive, I can send you a list with offers and some examples. Then, you can ask me as much as you consider necessary, then to select the diseases of interest for you to treat and to check my effects. Of course, then to continue to work.
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Christopher Johannes
To: liviusn@yahoo.com; adipop@popservice.ro
Cc: "tdstanciu@yahoo.com" ; drckj070@hotmail.com
Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 2:05:25 PM
Subject: Distant Healing Research
Dear distinguised colleagues, Drs. Liviu Nuteanu and Ing. Adrian Pop:
I learned of your work and experiments with distant healing from Dr. Traian Stanciulescu. This is promising work that I hope continues. Though I do not have laboratory facilities, budgets, and resources in my current to contribute much, please let me know if I can assist and/or collaborate to carry your work forward. I have already informed Dr. Stanciulescu about contacts that may well help to continue, build, and develop this research:
Your first and perhaps most essential contact for international collaboration and support will be the following (http://www.noetic.org/research/dh/links.html, see general details www.noetic.org/research/dh/main.html). Here you will be able to draw on the successess of colleagues who have been active throughout the distant healing research fields of endeavor currently and in recent years.
For a write up and publication of your initial work (collected work), I recommend Dr. Dan Benor`s international journal, and he himself is an excellent contact for furthering the work -- Dr. Daniel J. Benor (www.wholistichealingresearch.com)
Certainly, you will be in good company of distinguished colleagues doing this work with the Intention Experiment`s team (http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/t ... tific_team). You will likely be in contact with several of these distinguished colleagues already. If not, great time to say hello!
And also--
Dr. Larry Dossey (www.dosseydossey.com)
Dr. Dean Radin (www.deanradin.com)
Finally, general resources and information for international/global context and also to see what`s been done well previously--
The Global Coherence Intitiative (www.glcoherence.org/)
You may also want to collaborate with colleagues of the late Dr. Elisabeth Targ (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Targ)
I hope that helps.
Best wishes in this valuable endeavor!!
Chris Johannes
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
----- Original Message -----
From: sanda romosan
To: adipop@popservice.ro ; Zalmoxa
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: traducerea Fw: Distant Healing Research - Sanda
Draga Chris,
De asemenea, am contactat cu ani în urmă si eu pe Dean Radin şi multi altii de la IONS si de la diferite alte instituţii. Uneori răspunsuri amabile şi o parte din ele in corespondenţa scurtă, cu câteva excepţii.
Am contactat pe Marilyn Schlitz fără a da un răspuns. Apoi, am întâlnit în Santa Fe, unde am fost invitat in calitate de vorbitor, pe James O'Dea, la acel moment preşedintele IONS, Cleve Backster, Russel Targ (ei m-au felicitat puternic pentru cartea mea "Bioenergie si medicina integrativa") şi multi altii. Russel mi-a spus sa –i scriu lui Marilyn Schlitz că am aceasta recomandare a sa de a lucra cu mine în cadrul IONS. De data aceasta am primit foarte repede un răspuns cald, că noi ar trebui să începem imediat să lucram. Insa asta a tot ...
Desigur, voi lua legatura cu Marilyn Schlitz din nou şi de data aceasta, de asemenea, cu dr. Cassandra Vieten.
Vă voi trimite anumite date în e-mailuri separate.
Noi nu avem un protocol pentru vindecarea la distanţă, noi doar încercam de a verifica modul în care aceasta funcţionează. Am pacienţi în SUA, UE şi alte ţări, dar numai ocazionali.
Da, dacă ar fi posibil, am dori să ne alăturam reţelei dvs de vindecare la distanţă, pentru pacienţii situati oriunde în lume.
Sigur, în cazul în care contactele japoneze vor fi de acord să lucreze, de asemenea, cu noi, ar fi grozav.
În ceea ce priveşte "pozitivist ştiinţifică’, aş dori să subliniez ca tot ceea ce scriu eu ca rezultate bune, sunt 100% ştiinţifice, reproductibile, cu efecte similare. Numai medicina bazată pe dovezi.
Poate unii dintre prietenii tai japonezi ar fi interesaţi să colaboreze cu noi pentru a diminua activitatea extrema a cutremurelor din Japonia. Acest lucru este foarte usor de verificat. Ei au înregistrarea permanentă a activităţii cutremurelor, din cauza ca o astfel de activitate este cea mai intensa din lume.
Ei au în Japonia săptămânal sau chiar zilnic cutremure mici. Deci, în cazul în care doar cred "pozitivist ştiinţific" ceva de genul "Dacă acest medic chiar poate face cu adevărat ceea ce ce spune , vom colabora cu el, dacă nu, ii vom spune realitatea, şi ne vom uita zilnic doar pe graficele noastre de rutina, spune-i o zi şi ora pentru ca sa actioneze. Dacă el într-adevăr poate reduce activitatea cutremurului cel puţin jumătate in timp şi intensitate, acest lucru înseamnă în loc de un cutremur devastator de clasa 8, vom avea doar un mic de 4 grade. "
Practic, ceea ce au de a face mai mult de activitatea de zi cu zi, este de a trimite-mi un mesaj inainte, cu ziua şi ora când doresc ei sa actionez eu. Desigur, atunci, pentru colaborare, vor trebui sa faca mai mult. Dar ei cheltuiesc anual milioane de dolari doar pentru a monitoriza activitatea cutremurelor. Cred că ar trebui să fie interesati de o modalitate de a reduce activitatea cutremurelor. Oricum, pe site-urile lor este scris ca aceasta este o problemă naţională.
Sigur, voi contacta, de asemenea, pe Dr. Radin, apoi pe dr. Dossey, dr. Rustum Roy, Dr. Gary Schwartz (Universitatea din Arizona), şi altii.
Imi pare rau, dar eu sunt neurochirurg şi nu am timp pentru scrisori şi telefoane cu excepţia lucruri precise şi importante. Desigur, dacă vom lucra împreună şi va trebuisa dau telefon pentru oricine mi-ai recomanda, nici o problema.
Cu stimă,
Liviu
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Subject: Fw: Distant Healing Research - Sanda
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From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: Christopher Johannes
Cc: tdstanciu@yahoo.com ; adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: Distant Healing Research
Dear Chris,
I have also contacted years ago Dean Radin and many others from IONS and from different other institutions. Sometimes kind replies and some short correspondence with few exceptions.
I contacted Marilyn Schlitz without reply. Then, I have met in Santa Fe, where I have been invited as speaker, James O'Dea, at that time IONS President, Cleve Backster, Russel Targ (they highly congratulate me for my book "Bioenergy and integrative medicine") and many others. Russel said me to wrote to Marilyn Schlitz that I have his recommendation to work with me inside IONS. This time I have received very soon a warm reply, that we should start immediately to work. But this was all ...
Of course, I will contact again Marilyn Schlitz and this time also Dr. Cassandra Vieten.
I will send you some data in separate emails.
We don't have a protocol for distance healing, we are just trying to check out how it works. I have patients in USA, EU and other countries, but only occasional.
Yes, if would be possible, we would like to join your network of distance healing, for patients located anywhere in the world.
Sure, if your japanese contacts will agree to also work with us, would be great.
Concerning "positivist scientific", I would like to emphasize all what I write as good results, are 100% scientific, reproducible, with similar effects. Only medicine based on proofs.
Maybe some of your japanese friends would be interested to collaborate with us to highly diminish the earthquake activity in Japan. This is very easy to check out. They have permanent registration of earthquake activity, because of the most intense such activity in the world. They have in Japan weekly or even daily small earthquakes. So, if they just think "positivist scientific" something like "If this doctor really can do what he say, we will collaborate with him, if not, we will say to him the reality; and we will just look our daily routine graphics, tell him a day and hour to action. If he really can reduce the earthquake activity at least half as time and intensity, this mean instead of a devastating earthquake grading 8, we will have only a small 4 degrees one."
Practically, what they have to do more than daily activity, is to send me a message before with the day and hour when they want I action. Of course, then, for the collaboration, they have much more to do. But they spend annually millions of dollars only to monitor earthquake activity. I think they should be interested for a modality to reduce earthquake activity. Anyhow, on theirs sites it is written there is a national problem.
Sure, I will also contact Dr. Radin, then Dr. Dossey, Dr. Rustum Roy, Dr. Gary Schwartz (University of Arizona), and others.
Sorry, but I am neurosurgeon and do not have time for letters and telephones except for precise and important things. Of course, if we will work together and have to phone to anyone you recommend me, no problem.
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
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From: Christopher Johannes
To: liviusn@yahoo.com
Cc: "tdstanciu@yahoo.com" ; adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 5:44:15 PM
Subject: RE: Distant Healing Research
Dear Dr. Prof. Liviu Nuteanu:
Please... call me "Chris".
Thank you for your reply message. Yes, Dan Benor is usually very communicative. For Dr. Dean Radin and the IONS colleagues, let me give you some other direct emails... for Dr. Dean Radin (also with offices at IONS), dean@noetic.org, for Dr. Marilyn Schlitz (President of IONS and Director of Research), mschlitz@noetic.org, and for quicker replies on research projects involving distance healing in collaboration with IONS, contact Dr. Cassandra Vieten, cassivieten@noetic.org.
Yes, please send me whatever you like to bring me up to speed. If I can learn a protocol for distance healing that you use and join you as one of the "healers", that may also be interesting. As it relates to distance healing from you and your team for patients here... it may take some time and networking. At the clinic I have been affiliated with, it may work for the occasional patient, and provided we can get the required consent and disclosure passed through the medical director out here, I think it may work. If you know of Dr. Hiroshi Motoyama (who also heads up a school in Encinitas, California), I think he may have some good leads as well for clinics in Japan to collaborate... as would the Tokyo Integrative Medicine Village and the Japan Holistic Medicine Society and the Japan Transpersonal Psychology Association, headed up by Dr. Ando of Tokyo University. It will be difficult to arrange contacts directly with the new Integrative Medicine program chief at Kyoto university, and they tend to be very conservative... but I can try. All of this can take quite a long time and may not come to fruition anytime soon due to the way things work out here in Japan (e.g. personal contacts and meetings, and a very conservative "old school" positivist scientific materialist bias).
In the meantime, please contact Dr. Schlitz and Dr. Radin, both of whom can put you in contact with Dr. Dossey, Dr. Rustum Roy, Dr. Gary Schwartz (University of Arizona), and others (who usually will never respond to anything other than an airmailed letter or personal telephone call!
If Dr. Schlitz or Dr. Radin don't reply, again, an airmailed letter or telephone WILL do the trick.
Will stand by for more... and will see what I can do from here.
Great work! And happy to be connected!
Warm regards,
Chris
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:58:21 -0700
From: liviusn@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Distant Healing Research
To: drckj070@hotmail.com; adipop@popservice.ro
CC: tdstanciu@yahoo.com
Dear Professor Johannes,
Thank you very much for your message.
In the past years I have contacted IONS and the distinguished colleagues you mention.
Except Dan Benor with who I have a correspondence, the others' reply has not come.
Congratulations for your activity.
If in the future you think our group can join yours, would be excellent. I found this very interesting mention on the site you sent me:
"His private group practice in England and Japan have offered multimodal treatment services integrating homeopathic and behavioral medicine, polarity therapy, counseling and psychotherapy."
For example in severe diseases where your group don't offer treatment. Maybe some types of cancers ? Or ALS, where I can stop the disease in onset cases ? Or, if you prefere, you can ask me where you would like to extend your offers.
Of course, before to practically start such a collaboration I gladly accept you check out with the most complex possibilities my effect - clinically and where available also in laboratory.
So, if you can assist us and collaborate with us, adding "energy treatment" to your multimodal treatment services, I think it will be very good for both groups.
If your reply would be positive, I can send you a list with offers and some examples. Then, you can ask me as much as you consider necessary, then to select the diseases of interest for you to treat and to check my effects. Of course, then to continue to work.
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
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From: Christopher Johannes
To: liviusn@yahoo.com; adipop@popservice.ro
Cc: "tdstanciu@yahoo.com" ; drckj070@hotmail.com
Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 2:05:25 PM
Subject: Distant Healing Research
Dear distinguised colleagues, Drs. Liviu Nuteanu and Ing. Adrian Pop:
I learned of your work and experiments with distant healing from Dr. Traian Stanciulescu. This is promising work that I hope continues. Though I do not have laboratory facilities, budgets, and resources in my current to contribute much, please let me know if I can assist and/or collaborate to carry your work forward. I have already informed Dr. Stanciulescu about contacts that may well help to continue, build, and develop this research:
Your first and perhaps most essential contact for international collaboration and support will be the following (http://www.noetic.org/research/dh/links.html, see general details www.noetic.org/research/dh/main.html). Here you will be able to draw on the successess of colleagues who have been active throughout the distant healing research fields of endeavor currently and in recent years.
For a write up and publication of your initial work (collected work), I recommend Dr. Dan Benor`s international journal, and he himself is an excellent contact for furthering the work -- Dr. Daniel J. Benor (www.wholistichealingresearch.com)
Certainly, you will be in good company of distinguished colleagues doing this work with the Intention Experiment`s team (http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/t ... tific_team). You will likely be in contact with several of these distinguished colleagues already. If not, great time to say hello!
And also--
Dr. Larry Dossey (www.dosseydossey.com)
Dr. Dean Radin (www.deanradin.com)
Finally, general resources and information for international/global context and also to see what`s been done well previously--
The Global Coherence Intitiative (www.glcoherence.org/)
You may also want to collaborate with colleagues of the late Dr. Elisabeth Targ (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_Targ)
I hope that helps.
Best wishes in this valuable endeavor!!
Chris Johannes
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
Unread postMay 03, 2010#10
Dear Liviu,
I am surprised that after your personal meeting, nothing more developed with IONS. On the other hand, they are also all extremely busy people and likely received hundreds of emails a day... many of which may never make it to their inbox. I would have thought the meeting at Santa Fe would have led to active collaborations. Very odd that it did not... bad timing? Lack of resources?
In any case, I wish you success this time.
Best wishes,
Chris
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
Very interesting. Articles with such cases in the journals should get things moving forward.
Chris
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
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Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 12:41:06 -0700
From: liviusn@yahoo.com
Subject: Severe diseases treated with bioenergy
To: drckj070@hotmail.com
CC: tdstanciu@yahoo.com; adipop@popservice.ro
I now address cancer, a disease that is fascinating to humankind. I must begin by saying that some cancers (unfortunately not so many) can be cured by usual treatments. Many people do not know this aspect and they don’t wait to be cured and try other methods or even stop the treatment, using inefficient methods. Other forms of cancer have an efficient treatment that assures survival for many years. In such situations, the classic treatment should be used together with other integrative treatments. In those cases of cancer where despite the intensive treatment, the hope of life is very short, trying another treatment, recommended by a doctor, should be mandatory. For the development of new drugs, efficient in anti-cancer treatment, those drugs should be clinically used. Unfortunately, permanently, a lot of new substances that were no more efficient than the previous ones are used instead of other, more efficient treatments than the integrative medicine.
As in the classic medicine, also in Bioenergy the effects are much better if the patient comes sooner for the treatment. So, the advanced cancers have less hope for a good evolution. Now, I should emphasize that the results are highly variable from a healer to another. In my actual experience, cancers in the final stage, processes of carcinomatosis, and multiple metastases have less chance of favourable evolution. Other types of cancer, depending on localization, operability or not, the degree of malignancy, the patient’s status, other associated diseases, have the chance for a good evolution for different periods of time, longer than without the bioenergetic treatment and with a better quality of life. Of course, this can be difficult to scientifically explain and this can swallow unjustified long time. When many patients come with big problems that diminishes (sometimes at the procedure), and the good evolution prolongs even years and the laboratory tests confirm the positive facts, I consider that we can give more attention to this treatment. Cases where the patients were sent home, considering that the medical possibilities were finished, the patients are in bed without any hope, that after the Bioenergetic treatment they start to recover and some of them even to go back to work, are very suggestive even if they are less than those that came in due time and with better status.
But let’s see an example. A young man, 23 years old, goes to the doctor with a fluid throat tumoral mass, diagnosed as a malignant lymphoma. After some weeks from the operation, the throat becomes bigger and the patient cannot not eat. He lost weight, could not work and the doctors said him to definitively stop work, not knowing how much longer he had to live. I was introduced to this case after some days when he could not eat, the parents being afraid that he could die starving. After the first Bioenergetic procedure, the fluid tumoral mass was eliminated and the next days the patient started to eat. The evolution was good, initially with sinusoidal evolution. After some months he completely recovered. At this time, I advised the family that the young man could go back to work. After more than 7 years, he continues to live a life. Of course, at this diagnosis, as in the other situations, there are more cases.
In a case of acute leukaemia, with retinal haemorrhages and superficial venous thromboses, after a massive intravenous treatment, I have had a confirmation from Switzerland that Bioenergetic treatment was effective. Everything was fine for the young patient untill she found out the diagnosis. At the time when I started to work, she was in treatment and her survival was a big problem. At the family’s question, how much time she had left to continue the medical treatment, the doctors’ reply was clear: 3 to 5 years, if she will live so long. I started my procedures. Very soon, the superficial venous thromboses started to heal, and after a while the process was complete. But this was only an aesthetic result. Then, I could obtain the remission of the retinal hemorrhages, confirmed by the ophthalmologist. Those improvements were due to the Bioenergetic treatment. The disappearance of the malignant cells was due also to the medication. After some years, the patient continued his life normally. She became a student and the parents believe now that their daughter is perfectly healthy.
A female patient B.M., 22 years old, operated on 2 years before for a breast adenocarcinoma, was admitted with severe spastic paraparesys and hyperesthesia with level T6 – T7, and thoracic spine pain. The symptomathology installed progressively in one month. At admission, the motility of the left foot was abolished. The thoracic spine radiograph showed T5 fracture, with modified bone structure. Surgery was performed and a vertebral alloplasty T5 – T6 with autopolimerizable cement was performed. The operation was completely successful and the spinal cord was liberated. But, at 12 days postoperatory, the patient was still paraplegic. At this point, a Bioenergy procedure was performed and after some hours motility in the right and left foots appeared. Bioenergy can be used as rehabilitation, adjuvant in cancer disease, and to amplify the surgical results.
At 6 months follow-up, she walked almost normally and returned to work. In cancer, as in other diseases I also have been asked to perform treatment by important persons. An example that I have the permission to write about is a member of the British Royal Academy operated on for a very malignant cancer of the skin on the nose. After a while, the tumor appeared on the left maxillary sinus. The patient was progressively worse. In one night, a good friend called me and said that he is burning. I was afraid and asked him what is burning. He explain to me that the husband of a colleague of him (both of them very special persons) have a cancer and now he is in bed from about 2 weeks and now fear he will die. I wanted to refuse, saying that I cannot expect something from dying people. He very much insisted just to try, for him, in the name of our friendship.
The evolution was good after some days. After some months he performed a CT-scan that showed us no tumour in the left maxillary sinus. After 12 years of evolution he already wrote many books, some of them of international value. He became my friend and even he taught me better English. He can speak 11 languages at an academic level (including English: British, Irish, Scottish, US, with an astonishing accent). Discussing with me about Bioenergy he was very interested to find out more data and after many discussion he offered himself to discuss with me about K. Jung. He told me that in some points I realized with Bioenergy more than Jung realized with psychanalizis. As he was also absolvent of the Psychology University (he is specialist in medieval history), I learned very much from him and very much improved my bioenergetic skills. At more than 80 years old he continues to write, travel and have a “normal activity”. I hope this will continue when he reaches 90 years old.
Generally, for cancer, surgery is the most important, with few exceptions. Chemotherapy and radiotherapy will remain two important adjuvant therapies and with some types even the main treatment. Bioenergy proves to be very important together with the adjuvant treatments and should be used and in the meantime evaluated. Therapeutic schedules should be established for different types of cancer and localizations. Prof. David Thomas, MD from London presented some anticancer therapeutics; pointing out that unfortunately the „therapeutic window” (the difference between the dose of a therapeutic agent that destroy cancer cells and the dose that destroy normal cells) is extremely narrow even for the best actual chemotherapeutic substances. The same thing applies for radiotherapy.
Contrary, the Bioenergy has an extremely large, “therapeutic window”, maximum, because it destroys completely the cancer cells and does not affect at all the normal cells.
With multiple sclerosis, the effects are very good. Cases of severe evolution were ameliorated, after approximately 1 month. Laboratory research should establish exactly mechanisms of action and eventually new and more effective drugs will be discovered.
I would like to briefly describe a case of a young woman of 34 years old, who came to me with a difficulty in walking (with a stick, for short distances), gait disturbances, urinary and some stercoral disturbances. Her speech was affected. The evolution was progressively bad. I started the Bioenergetic procedures and after approximately 1 month, her walking was better, without the stick, for short distances. The gait disturbances considerably diminished. Her speech was almost normal and the urinary disturbances completely insignificant. The neurologist and family doctor could not believe that it was the same patient. After 2 months she could slightly run, climbing on the mountain (short and easy roads) and the other problems were solved.
If the patient comes after having suffered many years, in a bad condition, the good evolution is not so spectacular.
I also can stop the evolution of ALS in onset cases.
Septicaemia, with secondary determinations. I will describe an interesting case. But, attention, please! I advise those thinking only to find a fissure in what I am writing, or to fissure themselves something in the thinking, not to be in a hurry to affirm that someone should try to treat each septicaemia with Bioenergy. I was told by some very close persons, that a relative had been admitted 3 weeks earlier into a hospital of infectious diseases, with septicaemia. After the antibiotic treatment, the doctors considered that she had some chances to be alive, but there were many problems. A secondary determination, intrarahidian, extramedullary had appeared, causing pain to the patient. Much more, she developed liver and renal failure. They had discharged the patient (!), considering that already the admission was very long (!). At this time, under those very bad conditions, I started the Bioenergy treatment. The pain decreased, the patient first able to remain lying in bed, then moving around in bed and finally, walking. All laboratory tests for liver and renal failure proved those problems were solved.
AIDS. I have recently demonstrated I can destroy HIV in laboratory.
But let us see another case, with spine trauma. A young man, paraplegic from approximately 1 month, asked me if I could help him. Being the first case after such a long sufferance, I said I would try. The procedures were difficult, because the patient had had contractures and could not stay unmoved. The first sign was that he started to sweat under the lesion level. Next, the contracture diminished, then he observed voluntary movements. After some months he could stay on his legs and walk with help. Attention! At surgery, the team mentioned that the medulla was intact. If the medulla is lacerated, no one can obtain something. Anyhow, the patient should arrive in due time. After even 1 month, the chances decrease.
I would like to present a case with paraplegy, sores and haemophilia. The sores were operated upon but there was daily bleeding. In one evening, the general status was poor and all of the doctors believed he would die. I started a Bioenergy procedure. A colleague asked me how I could believe that something can save him and why don’t I let him peacefully die. After some hours, the bleeding diminished and after one day, it stopped. The colleague did not say anything. Everything was expected. When in a sunny day I have seen a man in a wheelchair, coming to me, I was amazed because I was working in another department. Only when he has asked me if I could make him walk I did I notice him. Some months ago a man was between life and death, and now he was smiling in the sun. Then, I remembered that when I was student and I performed photographic art, admiring an American photo album, I have saw a first prize, with the title “The right to live”, representing a man in a wheelchair, between parked cars, with such a will in his eyes, one can very rarely see even in a healthy subject.
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Unread postMay 03, 2010#11
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Johannes
To: liviusn@yahoo.com
Cc: tdstanciu@yahoo.com ; adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Distant Healing Research
traducerea..
Draga Liviu,
Sunt surprins de faptul că după întâlnirea personala cu tine nu s-a mai dezvoltat nimic cu IONS. Pe de altă parte, toti acestia sunt extrem de ocupati şi probabil au primit sute de email-uri pe zi ... dintre care multe nu au ajuns în căsuţa lor poştală (inbox). A fi crezut că întâlnirea de la Santa Fe va conduce la colaborari active. Foarte ciudat că nu a facut-o ... Sincronizare nepotrivita? Lipsa de resurse?
În orice caz, eu vă doresc succes de data asta.
Cele mai bune urări,
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher Johannes
To: liviusn@yahoo.com
Cc: tdstanciu@yahoo.com ; adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: RE: Severe diseases treated with bioenergy
Very interesting. Articles with such cases in the journals should get things moving forward.
Chris
Foarte interesant.Articole cu astfel de cazuri in reviste trebuie sa faca lucrurile sa inainteze.
Chris
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
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From: sanda romosan
To: adipop@popservice.ro ; Zalmoxa
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:29 PM
Subject: traducere n ro si text in englezai
traducerea..impreuna si cu textul in engleza
----- Original Message -----
From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: drckj070@hotmail.com
Cc: Traian STANCIULESCU ; Adrian POP
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:41 PM
Subject: Severe diseases treated with bioenergy
I now address cancer, a disease that is fascinating to humankind. I must begin by saying that some cancers (unfortunately not so many) can be cured by usual treatments. Many people do not know this aspect and they don’t wait to be cured and try other methods or even stop the treatment, using inefficient methods. Other forms of cancer have an efficient treatment that assures survival for many years. In such situations, the classic treatment should be used together with other integrative treatments. In those cases of cancer where despite the intensive treatment, the hope of life is very short, trying another treatment, recommended by a doctor, should be mandatory. For the development of new drugs, efficient in anti-cancer treatment, those drugs should be clinically used. Unfortunately, permanently, a lot of new substances that were no more efficient than the previous ones are used instead of other, more efficient treatments than the integrative medicine.
Mă refer acum la cancer, o boala care este fascinanta pentru omenire. Trebuie să încep prin a spune că unele tipuri de cancer (din păcate, nu atât de multe) pot fi vindecate prin tratamentele uzuale. Mulţi oameni nu cunosc acest aspect şi ei nu aşteapta sa fie vindecati şi încearca alte metode sau chiar opresc tratamentul, folosind metode ineficiente. Alte forme de cancer au un tratament eficient, care asigură supravieţuirea pentru mai mulţi ani. În astfel de situaţii, tratamentul clasic ar trebui să fie utilizat împreună cu alte tratamente integratoare/ integrative. În acele cazuri de cancer unde, în ciuda tratamentului intensiv, speranţa de viaţă este foarte scurta, ar trebui să fie obligatorie. incercarea unui alt tratament, recomandat de un medic, Pentru dezvoltarea unor noi medicamente, eficiente în tratamentul anti-cancer, aceste medicamente ar trebui să fie utilizate clinic. Din păcate, in permanenta, o mulţime de substanţe noi, care nu au fost mai eficiente decât cele precedente, sunt folosite în locul celorlaltor substante, tratamente mai eficiente decât medicina integrativa.
As in the classic medicine, also in Bioenergy the effects are much better if the patient comes sooner for the treatment. So, the advanced cancers have less hope for a good evolution. Now, I should emphasize that the results are highly variable from a healer to another. In my actual experience, cancers in the final stage, processes of carcinomatosis, and multiple metastases have less chance of favourable evolution. Other types of cancer, depending on localization, operability or not, the degree of malignancy, the patient’s status, other associated diseases, have the chance for a good evolution for different periods of time, longer than without the bioenergetic treatment and with a better quality of life. Of course, this can be difficult to scientifically explain and this can swallow unjustified long time. When many patients come with big problems that diminishes (sometimes at the procedure), and the good evolution prolongs even years and the laboratory tests confirm the positive facts, I consider that we can give more attention to this treatment. Cases where the patients were sent home, considering that the medical possibilities were finished, the patients are in bed without any hope, that after the Bioenergetic treatment they start to recover and some of them even to go back to work, are very suggestive even if they are less than those that came in due time and with better status.
Ca şi în medicina clasica, de asemenea, în Bioenergie efectele sunt mult mai bune dacă pacientul vine mai devreme pentru tratament. Astfel, cancerele avansate au speranţă mai mica de evolutie buna. Acum, eu trebuie să subliniez faptul că rezultatele sunt foarte diferite de la un vindecator la altul. În experienţa mea actuală, tipurile de cancer in faza finala, procesele de carcinomatoza, şi metastaze multiple au mai puţine şanse de evoluţie favorabilă. Alte tipuri de cancer, in functie de localizare, de operabilitate sau nu, de gradul de malignitate, starea pacientului, alte boli asociate, au sansa pentru o evolutie buna pentru diferite perioade de timp, mai mari decât fără tratament bioenergetic şi cu o mai bună calitate a vieţii. Desigur, acest lucru poate fi dificil să fie explicat ştiinţific şi acest lucru poate înghiţi nejustificat de mult timp. Atunci când mulţi pacienţi vin cu mari probleme care scad se diminueaza (uneori la procedura), iar evolutia buna prelungeşte chiar cu perioade de ani şi testele de laborator confirma evenimentele pozitive, eu personal consider că putem să acordam o mai mare atenţie acestui tratament. Cazurile în care pacienţii au fost trimişi acasă, considerandu-se că posibilităţile medicale au fost terminate/epuizate, pacienţii sunt în pat, fără a mai avea nici o speranţă, că după tratamentul bioenergetic au inceput sa isi revina, iar unii dintre ei chiar să se întoarcă la locul de muncă, sunt foarte sugestive, chiar si dacă aceste cazuri sunt mai puţine decât acelea in care ei -pacientii au venit în timp util şi cu o stare mai buna de sanatate..
But let’s see an example. A young man, 23 years old, goes to the doctor with a fluid throat tumoral mass, diagnosed as a malignant lymphoma. After some weeks from the operation, the throat becomes bigger and the patient cannot not eat. He lost weight, could not work and the doctors said him to definitively stop work, not knowing how much longer he had to live. I was introduced to this case after some days when he could not eat, the parents being afraid that he could die starving. After the first Bioenergetic procedure, the fluid tumoral mass was eliminated and the next days the patient started to eat. The evolution was good, initially with sinusoidal evolution. After some months he completely recovered. At this time, I advised the family that the young man could go back to work. After more than 7 years, he continues to live a life. Of course, at this diagnosis, as in the other situations, there are more cases.
Dar hai sa vedem un exemplu. Un tânăr, 23 de ani, merge la doctor cu o masă de lichid tumoral la gât, diagnosticată ca un limfom malign. După câteva săptămâni de la operaţie, gâtului devine mai mare, iar pacientul nu poate mânca. El a pierdut în greutate, nu mai poate munci şi medicii i-au spus să se oprească definitiv din muncă, neştiind cât de mult mai avea să trăiască. Mi s-a prezentat acest caz, după câteva zile de când el nu mai putea mânca, părinţilor sai fiindu-le teamă că el ar putea muri de foame. După prima procedura bioenergetica, masa tumorala lichida a fost eliminata, iar apoi in zilele urmatoare pacientul a început să mănânce. Evoluţia a fost bună, iniţial avand evoluţie sinusoidală. După câteva luni, el si-a revenit complet. În acel moment, am sfătuit familia, că tânărul ar putea merge înapoi la locul de muncă. După mai mult de 7 ani, el continuă să trăiască o viaţă. Desigur, la acest diagnostic, pemtru ca în alte situaţii, există mai multe cazuri.
In a case of acute leukaemia, with retinal haemorrhages and superficial venous thromboses, after a massive intravenous treatment, I have had a confirmation from Switzerland that Bioenergetic treatment was effective. Everything was fine for the young patient untill she found out the diagnosis. At the time when I started to work, she was in treatment and her survival was a big problem. At the family’s question, how much time she had left to continue the medical treatment, the doctors’ reply was clear: 3 to 5 years, if she will live so long. I started my procedures. Very soon, the superficial venous thromboses started to heal, and after a while the process was complete. But this was only an aesthetic result. Then, I could obtain the remission of the retinal hemorrhages, confirmed by the ophthalmologist. Those improvements were due to the Bioenergetic treatment. The disappearance of the malignant cells was due also to the medication. After some years, the patient continued his life normally. She became a student and the parents believe now that their daughter is perfectly healthy.
Într-un caz de leucemie acută, cu hemoragii retiniene şi tromboze venoase superficiale, după un tratament intravenos masiv, am avut o confirmare din Elveţia ca tratamentul bioenergetic a fost eficace. Totul a fost bine pentru pacienta tinara pana cand a aflat diagnosticul. În momentul în care am început să lucrez, ea era în tratament şi supravieţuirea ei era o mare problemă. La întrebarea familiei, cat timp i-a rămas să-şi continue tratamentul medical, răspunsul medicilor a fost clar: 3 - 5 ani, dacă ea va trăi atât de mult. Am început procedurile mele. Foarte curând, trombozele venoase superficiale au început să se vindece, şi după un timp, procesul a fost complet. Dar aceasta a fost doar un rezultat estetic. Apoi, am putut obţine remisia/retragerea hemoragiei retiniene, confirmată de medicul oftalmolog. Aceste îmbunătăţiri au fost cauzate de tratamentul bioenergetic. Dispariţia celulelor maligne sa datorat, de asemenea, medicamentatiei. După câţiva ani, pacienta a continuat viata normal. Ea a devenit student şi părinţii cred acum ca fiica lor este perfect sanatoasa.
A female patient B.M., 22 years old, operated on 2 years before for a breast adenocarcinoma, was admitted with severe spastic paraparesys and hyperesthesia with level T6 – T7, and thoracic spine pain. The symptomathology installed progressively in one month. At admission, the motility of the left foot was abolished. The thoracic spine radiograph showed T5 fracture, with modified bone structure. Surgery was performed and a vertebral alloplasty T5 – T6 with autopolimerizable cement was performed. The operation was completely successful and the spinal cord was liberated. But, at 12 days postoperatory, the patient was still paraplegic. At this point, a Bioenergy procedure was performed and after some hours motility in the right and left foots appeared. Bioenergy can be used as rehabilitation, adjuvant in cancer disease, and to amplify the surgical results.
O pacienta, BM, de sex feminin, 22 de ani, operata cu 2 ani înainte de un adenocarcinom mamar, a fost diagnosticata cu parapareza spastică severă şi hiperestezie cu un nivel T6 - T7, şi dureri si ale coloanei vertebrale toracice. Simptomatologia s-a instalat progresiv într-o lună. La admitere, mobilitatea piciorul stâng a fost anulată. Radiografia coloanei vertebrale toracice au arătat o fractură T5, cu structura osoasa modificata. Operatia a fost si s-a efectuat o aloplastie T5 –T6 vertebrala, cu ciment autopolimerizabil.. Operaţia a a avut succes / a reusit şi măduva spinării a fost eliberata. Dar, la 12 zile postoperator, pacienta era încă paraplegic. În acest moment, a fost efectuata o procedură de Bioenergie şi după câteva ore a apărut mobilitatea in picioarele drept şi stâng. Bioenergia poate fi folosita ca reabilitarea, adjuvant în boala de cancer, precum şi pentru a amplifica rezultatele chirurgicale.
At 6 months follow-up, she walked almost normally and returned to work. In cancer, as in other diseases I also have been asked to perform treatment by important persons. An example that I have the permission to write about is a member of the British Royal Academy operated on for a very malignant cancer of the skin on the nose. After a while, the tumor appeared on the left maxillary sinus. The patient was progressively worse. In one night, a good friend called me and said that he is burning. I was afraid and asked him what is burning. He explain to me that the husband of a colleague of him (both of them very special persons) have a cancer and now he is in bed from about 2 weeks and now fear he will die. I wanted to refuse, saying that I cannot expect something from dying people. He very much insisted just to try, for him, in the name of our friendship.
In cele 6 luni care au urmat, ea a mers aproape normal, şi s-a întors la locul de muncă. În cancer, ca şi în alte boli am de asemenea, solicitat sa efectuez tratamente de către persoane importante. Un exemplu pentru care am permisiunea de a scrie despre el este un membru al Academiei Regale Britanice operat pentru un cancer avansat malign ale pielii de pe nas. După un timp, tumora a apărut sinusul maxilar stâng. Starea pacientul era progresiv tot mai rău. Într-o noapte, un bun prieten ma sunat şi a spus că el arde. Mi-era teamă şi l-am întrebat ce arde. El mi-a explicat că soţul unei colege (ambele , niste persoane foarte speciale) au un cancer, iar acum el se află în pat de aproximativ două săptămâni şi acum ii e teamă că va muri. Am vrut să refuz, spunând că nu ma aştept la nimic de la persoane pe moarte. El a insistat foarte mult numai sa încerc, pentru el, în numele prieteniei noastre.
The evolution was good after some days. After some months he performed a CT-scan that showed us no tumour in the left maxillary sinus. After 12 years of evolution he already wrote many books, some of them of international value. He became my friend and even he taught me better English. He can speak 11 languages at an academic level (including English: British, Irish, Scottish, US, with an astonishing accent). Discussing with me about Bioenergy he was very interested to find out more data and after many discussion he offered himself to discuss with me about K. Jung. He told me that in some points I realized with Bioenergy more than Jung realized with psychanalizis. As he was also absolvent of the Psychology University (he is specialist in medieval history), I learned very much from him and very much improved my bioenergetic skills. At more than 80 years old he continues to write, travel and have a “normal activity”. I hope this will continue when he reaches 90 years old.
Evolutia a fost buna dupa cateva zile. După câteva luni, el a efectuat o scanare CT-care ne-a arătatca nu exista nici o tumoră în sinusul maxilarului stâng. După 12 ani de evolutie a scris deja multe carti, unele dintre ele de valoare internaţională. El a devenit prietenul meu şi chiar şi el ma învăţat mai bine limba engleza. El poate vorbi 11 limbi la un nivel academic (inclusiv limba engleză: britanic, irlandez, scoţian, din SUA, cu un accent uimitor). Discutand cu mine despre Bioenergie el a fost foarte interesat să afle mai multe date şi după mai multe discuţii sa oferit să discute cu mine despre K. Jung. El mi-a spus că, în anumite puncte-am realizat cu Bioenergia mai mult decat a realizat Jung cu psihanaliza. Pentru ca el a fost, de asemenea, absolvent al Universităţii de Psihologie (el este specialist în istoria medievală), am învăţat foarte mult de la el şi mi-am îmbunătăţit foarte mult abilităţile mele bioenergetice. La mai mult de 80 de ani el continuă să scrie, sa călătoreasca şi sa aiba o activitate "normală". Sper că acest lucru va continua atunci când împlineşte 90 de ani.
Generally, for cancer, surgery is the most important, with few exceptions. Chemotherapy and radiotherapy will remain two important adjuvant therapies and with some types even the main treatment. Bioenergy proves to be very important together with the adjuvant treatments and should be used and in the meantime evaluated. Therapeutic schedules should be established for different types of cancer and localizations. Prof. David Thomas, MD from London presented some anticancer therapeutics; pointing out that unfortunately the „therapeutic window” (the difference between the dose of a therapeutic agent that destroy cancer cells and the dose that destroy normal cells) is extremely narrow even for the best actual chemotherapeutic substances. The same thing applies for radiotherapy.
Contrary, the Bioenergy has an extremely large, “therapeutic window”, maximum, because it destroys completely the cancer cells and does not affect at all the normal cells.
In general, pentru cancer, chirurgia este cea mai importanta, cu câteva excepţii. Chimioterapie şi radioterapie vor rămâne doua terapii importante adjuvante şi chiar in unele tipuri, tratamentul principal. Bioenergia se dovedeşte a fi foarte importanta, împreună cu tratamentele adjuvante şi ar trebui să fie folosita şi în acelasi timp, evaluata. Programele terapeutice ar trebui să fie stabilite pentru diferite tipuri de cancer şi localizări. Prof. David Thomas, MD de la Londra a prezentat unele terapii împotriva cancerului; subliniind că, din păcate “fereastra terapeutica" (diferenţa dintre doza unui agent terapeutic care distruge celulele canceroase si doza care distruge celulele normale) este extrem de îngustă, chiar şi pentru cele mai bune substanţe chimioterapice actuale. Acelaşi lucru este valabil pentru radioterapie. Dimpotrivă, Bioenergia are o "fereastră terapeutică", extrem de mare, maxim, deoarece distruge complet celulele canceroase şi nu afectează deloc celulele normale.
With multiple sclerosis, the effects are very good. Cases of severe evolution were ameliorated, after approximately 1 month. Laboratory research should establish exactly mechanisms of action and eventually new and more effective drugs will be discovered.
I would like to briefly describe a case of a young woman of 34 years old, who came to me with a difficulty in walking (with a stick, for short distances), gait disturbances, urinary and some stercoral disturbances. Her speech was affected. The evolution was progressively bad. I started the Bioenergetic procedures and after approximately 1 month, her walking was better, without the stick, for short distances. The gait disturbances considerably diminished. Her speech was almost normal and the urinary disturbances completely insignificant. The neurologist and family doctor could not believe that it was the same patient. After 2 months she could slightly run, climbing on the mountain (short and easy roads) and the other problems were solved.
If the patient comes after having suffered many years, in a bad condition, the good evolution is not so spectacular.
I also can stop the evolution of ALS in onset cases.
La scleroză multiplă, efectele sunt foarte bune. Cazurile de evoluţie severă au fost ameliorate, după aproximativ o luna. Laboratorul de cercetare ar trebui să stabilească exact mecanismele de acţiune şi, eventual, medicamente noi şi mai eficiente trebuiesc descoperite.
Aş dori să descriu pe scurt un caz al unei tinere de 34 de ani, care a venit la mine avand o dificultate de mers pe jos (cu un baston, pentru distanţe scurte), tulburări de mers, tulburări urinare şi unele stercorale. Vorbirea ei a fost afectată de asemenea. Evolutia a fost progresiv in rău. Am demarat procedurile bioenergetic şi după aproximativ o luna, mersul pe jos ei a fost mai bun, fără baston, pentru distante scurte. Tulburări de mers s-au diminuat considerabil. Vorbirea ei a fost aproape normală şi tulburări urinare complet nesemnificative. Neurologul şi medicul de familie nu puteau să creadă că a fost acelaşi pacient. Dupa 2 luni ea putea alerga uşor, urca pe munte (drumuri scurte şi uşoare), şi toate celelalte probleme au fost rezolvate.
Dacă pacientul vine după ce a suferit mulţi ani, într-o stare proastă, evolutia buna nu este atat de spectaculoasa.
Am de asemenea, pot opri evolutia ALS în cazuri cu debut.
Septicaemia, with secondary determinations. I will describe an interesting case. But, attention, please! I advise those thinking only to find a fissure in what I am writing, or to fissure themselves something in the thinking, not to be in a hurry to affirm that someone should try to treat each septicaemia with Bioenergy. I was told by some very close persons, that a relative had been admitted 3 weeks earlier into a hospital of infectious diseases, with septicaemia. After the antibiotic treatment, the doctors considered that she had some chances to be alive, but there were many problems. A secondary determination, intrarahidian, extramedullary had appeared, causing pain to the patient. Much more, she developed liver and renal failure. They had discharged the patient (!), considering that already the admission was very long (!). At this time, under those very bad conditions, I started the Bioenergy treatment. The pain decreased, the patient first able to remain lying in bed, then moving around in bed and finally, walking. All laboratory tests for liver and renal failure proved those problems were solved.
Septicemia, cu determinări secundare. Voi descrie un caz interesant. Dar, atenţie, vă rog! Ii sfatuiesc pe aceia care gândesc numai pentru a găsi o nisa/fisura in ceea ce scriu, sau să se fisureze ceva în gândire, să nu se grăbeasca in a afirma că cineva ar trebui sa incerce sa trateze fiecare septicemie cu bioenergie. Mi s-a spus de către unele persoane foarte aproapiate, că o rudă a fost internata cu 3 săptămâni în urmă, într-un spital de boli infecţioase, cu septicemie. După tratamentul cu antibiotice, medicii au considerat că ea a avut unele şanse de a ramane în viaţă, dar au fost multe probleme. O determinare secundare, intrarahidiana, extramedulara a apărut, cauzând durere pacientului.Mai mult chiar, ea a dezvoltat o insuficienţă hepatica şi renală. Ei au evacuat pacientul,! considerand că internarea a fost foarte lungă (!). În acest moment, în acele condiţii foarte rele, am inceput tratamentul cu Bioenergie. Durerea a scăzut, pacientul intai a fost în măsură să rămână culcat în pat, apoi s-a deplasat în jurul patului şi, în final, mergand pe jos. Toate testele de laborator hepatice pentru ficat şi pentru insuficienţă renală au dovedit aceste probleme au fost rezolvate.
AIDS. I have recently demonstrated I can destroy HIV in laboratory.
SIDA. Am demonstrat recent pot distruge HIV în laborator.
But let us see another case, with spine trauma. A young man, paraplegic from approximately 1 month, asked me if I could help him. Being the first case after such a long sufferance, I said I would try. The procedures were difficult, because the patient had had contractures and could not stay unmoved. The first sign was that he started to sweat under the lesion level. Next, the contracture diminished, then he observed voluntary movements. After some months he could stay on his legs and walk with help. Attention! At surgery, the team mentioned that the medulla was intact. If the medulla is lacerated, no one can obtain something. Anyhow, the patient should arrive in due time. After even 1 month, the chances decrease.
Dar haideţi să vedem un alt caz, cu trauma coloanei vertebrale. Un tânăr, paralizat de aproximativ o luna, ma întrebat dacă aş putea să-l ajut. Fiind primul caz, după o astfel de suferinţă lungă, am spus ca voi incerca. Procedurile au fost dificile, deoarece pacientul a avut contracturi şi nu putea sta nemişcat. Primul semn a fost că a început să transpire sub nivelul leziunii. Apoi, contractura s-a diminuat, apoi a observat mişcările voluntare. După câteva luni, el a putut sta pe picioarele lui şi a mers cu ajutor. Atenţie! La operatie, echipa a menţionat că maduva spinarii era intact. În cazul în care măduva spinării este distrusa, nimeni nu poate obţine ceva. Oricum, pacientul ar trebui să ajungă în timp util. După chiar o luna, şansele au scăzut.
I would like to present a case with paraplegy, sores and haemophilia. The sores were operated upon but there was daily bleeding. In one evening, the general status was poor and all of the doctors believed he would die. I started a Bioenergy procedure. A colleague asked me how I could believe that something can save him and why don’t I let him peacefully die. After some hours, the bleeding diminished and after one day, it stopped. The colleague did not say anything. Everything was expected. When in a sunny day I have seen a man in a wheelchair, coming to me, I was amazed because I was working in another department. Only when he has asked me if I could make him walk I did I notice him. Some months ago a man was between life and death, and now he was smiling in the sun. Then, I remembered that when I was student and I performed photographic art, admiring an American photo album, I have saw a first prize, with the title “The right to live”, representing a man in a wheelchair, between parked cars, with such a will in his eyes, one can very rarely see even in a healthy subject.
Aş dori să prezint un caz cu paralizie, leziuni şi hemofilie. Rănile/leziunile au fost operate insa sângerarea /hemoragia era zilnica. Într-o seară, starea generală a fost foarte rea şi toti medicii credeau că el va muri. Am început o procedură de bioenergie. Un coleg m-a întrebat cum aş putea să cred că ceva-l poate salva şi de ce nu l-am lăsat să moară în pace. După câteva ore, sângerarea/hemoragia s-a diminuat şi după o zi, s-a oprit. Colegul nu a spus nimic. Se astepta la orice. Atunci când într-o zi insorita am văzut un om într-un scaun cu rotile, venind la mine, am fost uimit pentru că lucram într-un alt departament. Numai când m-a întrebat dacă aş putea să-l fac sa mearga, l-am observat.Cu câteva luni în urmă un bărbat a fost între viaţă şi moarte, iar acum el zîmbea la soare. Apoi, mi-am amintit că atunci când am fost student am facut arta fotografica, admirând un album de fotografii american, am văzut un prim premiu , cu titlul "Dreptul de a trăi", reprezentând un bărbat într-un scaun cu rotile, intre masinile parcate, cu o astfel de dorinta in ochii lui, lucru ce foarte rar se poate vedea chiar şi într-un subiect sănătos.
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DOAMNE ajuta !
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From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: STANCIULESCU TRAIAN
Cc: adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: Collaboration
Buna seara,
Sa speram ca lucrurile se misca. Doamne ajuta.
Dupa cum stim, cele mai importante proiecte sunt cele internationale. Putem participa "prin noi insine" la proiecte internationale. Exista proiecte de interes local (oras), regional, national si international. Locul unui proiect este dat de rezultate. Consider ca rezultatele cu care ne prezentam ne permit sa tintim un proiect international. Nu cred ca are rost sa ne autolimitam.
Las Mess-ul deschis si vorbim cand ai timp.
Cu bine,
Liviu
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From: STANCIULESCU TRAIAN
To: Liviu NUTEANU
Cc: adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 5:13:36 PM
Subject: Re: Collaboration
Buna seara, Liviu.
Ma bucur din inima ca incet, incet incep sa se miste lucrurile si pe directia occidentala... Sugestiile lui Chris par sa fie de bun augur... Sa dea Dumnezeu ca, din cele multe posibile, macar citeva sa se activeze...
Desi, te rog sa ma crezi, tare as vrea sa reusim sa implinim "prin noi insine" sarcina Primului Leu Romanesc Cinstit. Stii, de cite ori spun "occident" ma gindesc la sensul originar al cuvintului:
occido-occidere = locul unde soarele este ucis.
Or, eu iubesc atit de mult soarele, lumina, incit sufar organic la gindul ca simbolic ar putea fi "ucise"... Poate obturate, putin...
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Inca nu am ajuns acasa. Pe la ora 9, abia. Voi incerca sa te sun pe messenger, poate reusim sa schimbam citeva cuvinte, prin viu grai. De dragul rezonantei...
Pe curind,
Traian
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From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: tdstanciu@yahoo.com ; Adrian POP
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 5:14 PM
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From: Liviu NUTEANU
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Cc: Christopher JOHANNES
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 4:13:53 PM
Subject: Collaboration
Dear Marilyn,
First of all, congratulations for your important position as President of the IONS.
Recently I have been encouraged to write you again about a possible collaboration, by Chris:
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
Please be so kind and send me some proposals of projects and I also propose you two kinds of collaboration: with Energy medicine and with Psi.
If you ask me for more data, I will send you immediately.
With Energy medicine I can treat directly or at distance some severe diseases.
Please send me a request for any disease and I will reply what I am expecting to obtain with my bioenergetic treatment. Examples of diseases with efficient bioenergetic treatment:
Cancer
Multiple sclerosis
ALS
Some data about energy medicine in cancer
Description of a case. The female patient B.M., 22 years old was operated 2 years ago for a breast cancer (adenocarcinoma) and was now admitted for spastic paraparesis and hiperestezia, with the level T6-T7 and pain at the toracal spine. This symptomathology progressed in one month. The x-ray spine showed us T5 fracture with modyfied bone structure.
She received surgery and an alloplasty T5-T6 with autompoliemrizable cement was performed. The operation, was completely succesful and the sspinal cord was liberated. But, at 12 days postoperatory, the patient was still paraplegic.
A energy medicine procedure was performed and after some hours she start to move her left foot.
At the 6 months follow-up, she walk almost normal and come back to work.
Abstract of demonstration in laboratory.
Cerebral tumour cells damaged by emission of bioenergy (energy medicine)
Author : Nuţeanu Liviu, M.D.
Summary: In two experiences the destruction with bioenergy of cerebral malignant tumoral cells (oligodendroglioma and glioblastoma), every one on 24 probes in different dilutions, with witness lot, was successful in vitro. In the first experience, the destruction rate varied between 48.19-100%, depending on dilution, in comparison with 5.66 in the witness lot. In the second experience, was destroyed 77-100% by cancer cells, in comparison with 1.5% in the witness lot. The results were put in evidence with vital coloration, at approximately 10 minutes to the intraoperatory prelevation. In every experience were prepared (by cellular biology specialist M.D.), plates with 24 wells.
Recently I demonstrated I can destroy HIV at distance: 7 - 8.5% in comparison with 0% of the witness probe.
PSI
In the Psi field, I can stop hurricanes and earthquakes. Of course, if we can start a collaboration, I will send you more information.
For the earthquakes, I can demonstrate that I reduce at least to half the number and intensity of earthquakes in a chosen region from Japan, for at least 1 – 2 weeks. So you just follow the routine activity in Japan and you find the answer.
Looking forward to having news from you, and a very strong collaboration !
With warmest personally regards, I remain,
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
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From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: drckj070@hotmail.com ; tdstanciu@yahoo.com ; adipop@popservice.ro
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 5:17 PM
Subject: Fw: Automated Response Re: Collaboration
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From: Marilyn Schlitz
To: liviusn@yahoo.com
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 4:13:59 PM
Subject: Automated Response Re: Collaboration
Thank you for your recent communication and inquiry. Your email is
important to me. I get so many email messages each day that it has
become impossible to reply to each one individually. Below you will
find contacts for our various Programs. Perhaps your inquiry would be
best served going directly to them for your communication. I also
encourage you to visit our website (www.noetic.org) as it is a
wonderful resource for information about our current projects,
programs and the work of IONS in general.
Marketing Information: Janet Dwinells (jdwinells@noetic.org, 707-779-8226)
Membership Information: Rusty Shores (membership@noetic.org, 877-769-4667)
Publications, Editorial Director: Matthew Gilbert
(mgilbert@noetic.org, 707-779-8235)
Donor Relations/Development: Deborah Breitbach
(dbreitbach@noetic.org, 707-779-8216)
Research/Education: Charlene Farrell (cfarrell@noetic.org, 707-779-8212)
Retreat Center Manager: Kay Thompson (kthompson@noetic.org, 707-779-8275)
If your inquiry is in relation to my traveling schedule, conference
presentations, business consulting and other invitations, please
contact my assistant, Rose Welch (rose@noetic.org, 707-779-8214). She
will be happy to review your request, respond and set up a call or
meeting if appropriate.
Thank you for your interest in the Institute of Noetic Sciences and I
wish you continued success in the work you are doing to create a
better world.
Sincerely,
Marilyn Mandala Schlitz
President/CEO
Institute of Noetic.Sciences
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From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: cfarrell@noetic.org
Cc: Christopher JOHANNES
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 4:35:26 PM
Subject: Fw: Distant healing
Dear Charlene,
Please be so kind and give the next message to Marilyn.
Thank you in advance.
Best wishes,
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
Dear Marilyn,
First of all, congratulations for your important position as President of the IONS.
Recently I have been encouraged to write you again about a possible collaboration, by Chris:
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
Please be so kind and send me some proposals of projects and I also propose you two kinds of collaboration: with Energy medicine and with Psi.
If you ask me for more data, I will send you immediately.
With Energy medicine I can treat directly or at distance some severe diseases.
Please send me a request for any disease and I will reply what I am expecting to obtain with my bioenergetic treatment. Examples of diseases with efficient bioenergetic treatment:
Cancer
Multiple sclerosis
ALS
Some data about energy medicine in cancer
Description of a case. The female patient B.M., 22 years old was operated 2 years ago for a breast cancer (adenocarcinoma) and was now admitted for spastic paraparesis and hiperestezia, with the level T6-T7 and pain at the toracal spine. This symptomathology progressed in one month. The x-ray spine showed us T5 fracture with modyfied bone structure.
She received surgery and an alloplasty T5-T6 with autompoliemrizable cement was performed. The operation, was completely succesful and the sspinal cord was liberated. But, at 12 days postoperatory, the patient was still paraplegic.
A energy medicine procedure was performed and after some hours she start to move her left foot.
At the 6 months follow-up, she walk almost normal and come back to work.
Abstract of demonstration in laboratory.
Cerebral tumour cells damaged by emission of bioenergy (energy medicine)
Author : Nuţeanu Liviu, M.D.
Summary: In two experiences the destruction with bioenergy of cerebral malignant tumoral cells (oligodendroglioma and glioblastoma), every one on 24 probes in different dilutions, with witness lot, was successful in vitro. In the first experience, the destruction rate varied between 48.19-100%, depending on dilution, in comparison with 5.66 in the witness lot. In the second experience, was destroyed 77-100% by cancer cells, in comparison with 1.5% in the witness lot. The results were put in evidence with vital coloration, at approximately 10 minutes to the intraoperatory prelevation. In every experience were prepared (by cellular biology specialist M.D.), plates with 24 wells.
Recently I demonstrated I can destroy HIV at distance: 7 - 8.5% in comparison with 0% of the witness probe.
PSI
In the Psi field, I can stop hurricanes and earthquakes. Of course, if we can start a collaboration, I will send you more information.
For the earthquakes, I can demonstrate that I reduce at least to half the number and intensity of earthquakes in a chosen region from Japan, for at least 1 – 2 weeks. So you just follow the routine activity in Japan and you find the answer.
Looking forward to having news from you, and a very strong collaboration !
With warmest personally regards, I remain,
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
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From: Charlene Farrell
To: Liviu NUTEANU
Sent: Thu, March 11, 2010 3:37:57 AM
Subject: RE: Distant healing
Dear Dr. Nuteanu,
Thank you for your kind reply and the clarification about your work. We wish you continued success in your work with energy healing.
Our new website due to launch sometime in April 2010 will provide access to a broader range of information about IONS Research. My understanding is that is will have a place for discussion forums as well as a place to post transformative experiences. I know that you are very busy with your patients but I did want to let you know about this.
All best wishes,
Charlene Farrell, MA
Research Assistant
Institute of Noetic Sciences
101 San Antonio Road
Petaluma, CA 94952-9524
707-779-8212
707-781-7420 fax
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From: Liviu NUTEANU [mailto:liviusn@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 6:03 AM
To: Charlene Farrell
Subject: Re: Distant healing
Dear Charlene Farrell,
Don't worry, nor you neither Marilyn are not obliged to reply me to a message.
I have much more patients.
In my previous message, I firstly sent a description of a case (from many others).
Second, I sent the abstract of my demonstration of destroying cancer cells in laboratory, with bioenergy.
Of course, when I found interest in my work and wishes of collaboration, I send more information.
This have nothing to do with "spontaneous remission", because I can repeat the laboratory demonstration with similar effects as many time as necessary.
Good luck for IONS.
Best wishes,
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
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From: Charlene Farrell
To: liviusn@yahoo.com
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 11:51:57 PM
Subject: FW: Distant healing
Dear Dr. Nuteanu,
I apologize for the extremely delayed response to your email. Marilyn
Schlitz asked me to reply to your email shortly after you sent it. The
fault in the delay is mine and not Marilyn's. Although I find it
difficult to keep up with the amount of emails I receive, I am making a
concerted effort to catch up.
Thank you for your congratulations to Marilyn and for sending the
information on your patients. My understanding is that there were three
patients in total, one with a adenocarcinoma of the breast, and two with
cerebral tumors. I will keep this information until such a time as we may
update our bibliography of spontaneous remission, or in these cases,
bioenergetic healing.
Best wishes,
Charlene Farrell, MA
Research Assistant
Institute of Noetic Sciences
101 San Antonio Road
Petaluma, CA 94952-9524
707-779-8212
707-781-7420 fax
-----Original Message-----
From: Marilyn Schlitz [mailto:marilyn@noetic.org]
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:46 AM
To: Cassi Vieten; Charlene Farrell; Cassi Vieten
Subject: FW: Distant healing
please reply. we need to update website!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Liviu NUTEANU [mailto:liviusn@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thu 5/1/2008 11:29 PM
To: Marilyn Schlitz
Cc: Marilyn Schlitz
Subject: Distant healing
Dear Director
Marilyn Schlitz,
Congratulations
for your article:
New NIH grant to
study distant healing and placebo
I would
like to join some of IONS programs, if possible.
- A study on the possible effects of Qi gong on brain tumor cells
in a state-of-the-art laboratory setting that continues under the
sponsorship
of the National Institutes of Health.
- Distant healing and placebo effects for wound healing in breast cancer
patients
- Impact of external Qi Gong on cancer cells: Effects of dose
and distance
I
re-send you few data about my results.
Description of a case. The
female patient B.M., 22 years old was operated 2 years ago for a breast
cancer
(adenocarcinoma) and was now admitted for spastic paraparesis and
hiperestezia,
with the level T6-T7 and pain at the toracal spine. This symptomathology
progressed in one month. The x-ray spine showed us T5 fracture with
modyfied
bone structure.
She received surgery and an
alloplasty T5-T6 with autompoliemrizable cement was performed. The
operation,
was completely succesful and the sspinal cord was liberated. But, at 12
days
postoperatory, the patient was still paraplegic.
A bioenergetic procedure was
performed and after some hours she start to move her left foot.
At the 6 months follow-up, she walk
almost normal and come back to work.
Abstract of
demonstration in laboratory
Cerebral tumour cells damaged by
emission of bioenergy
Author : Nuteanu
Liviu, M.D.
Summary: In two experiences the
destruction with bioenergy of cerebral malignant tumoral cells
(oligodendroglioma and glioblastoma), every one on 24 probes in different
dilutions, with witness lot, was successful in vitro. In the first
experience,
the destruction rate varied between 48.19-100%, depending on dilution, in
comparison with 5.66 in the witness lot. In the second experience, was
destroyed 77-100% by cancer cells, in comparison with 1.5% in the witness
lot.
The results were put in evidence with vital coloration, at approximately
10
minutes to the intraoperatory prelevation. In every experience were
prepared
(by cellular biology specialist M.D.), plates with 24 wells.
With warmest
kind regards,
Sincerely
yours,
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
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From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: dean@noetic.org
Cc: Christopher JOHANNES
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 4:40:30 PM
Subject: Collaboration
Dear Doctor Radin,
Recently I have been encouraged to write you again about a possible collaboration, by Chris:
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
Please be so kind and send me some proposals of projects and I also propose you two kinds of collaboration: with Energy medicine and with Psi.
If you ask me for more data, I will send you immediately.
With Energy medicine I can treat directly or at distance some severe diseases.
Please send me a request for any disease and I will reply what I am expecting to obtain with my bioenergetic treatment. Examples of diseases with efficient bioenergetic treatment:
Cancer
Multiple sclerosis
ALS
Some data about energy medicine in cancer
Description of a case. The female patient B.M., 22 years old was operated 2 years ago for a breast cancer (adenocarcinoma) and was now admitted for spastic paraparesis and hiperestezia, with the level T6-T7 and pain at the toracal spine. This symptomathology progressed in one month. The x-ray spine showed us T5 fracture with modyfied bone structure.
She received surgery and an alloplasty T5-T6 with autompoliemrizable cement was performed. The operation, was completely succesful and the sspinal cord was liberated. But, at 12 days postoperatory, the patient was still paraplegic.
A energy medicine procedure was performed and after some hours she start to move her left foot.
At the 6 months follow-up, she walk almost normal and come back to work.
Abstract of demonstration in laboratory.
Cerebral tumour cells damaged by emission of bioenergy (energy medicine)
Author : Nuţeanu Liviu, M.D.
Summary: In two experiences the destruction with bioenergy of cerebral malignant tumoral cells (oligodendroglioma and glioblastoma), every one on 24 probes in different dilutions, with witness lot, was successful in vitro. In the first experience, the destruction rate varied between 48.19-100%, depending on dilution, in comparison with 5.66 in the witness lot. In the second experience, was destroyed 77-100% by cancer cells, in comparison with 1.5% in the witness lot. The results were put in evidence with vital coloration, at approximately 10 minutes to the intraoperatory prelevation. In every experience were prepared (by cellular biology specialist M.D.), plates with 24 wells.
Recently I demonstrated I can destroy HIV at distance: 7 - 8.5% in comparison with 0% of the witness probe.
PSI
In the Psi field, I can stop hurricanes and earthquakes. Of course, if we can start a collaboration, I will send you more information.
For the earthquakes, I can demonstrate that I reduce at least to half the number and intensity of earthquakes in a chosen region from Japan, for at least 1 – 2 weeks. So you just follow the routine activity in Japan and you find the answer.
Looking forward to having news from you, and a very strong collaboration !
With warmest personally regards, I remain,
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Liviu NUTEANU
To: cassivieten@noetic.org
Cc: Christopher JOHANNES
Sent: Sun, May 2, 2010 4:43:23 PM
Subject: Collaboration
Dear Doctor Cassandra Vieten,
Recently I have been encouraged to write you about a possible collaboration, by Chris:
Dr. Christopher K. Johannes
Tokunin Assistant Professor, Kansai Gaidai College/University, Hirakata, Osaka, Japan
Associate Adjunct Professor, Integral Health Studies-Program Director, Akamai University
(http://www.akamaiuniversity.us/Integ...thStudies.html)
Please be so kind and send me some proposals of projects and I also propose you two kinds of collaboration: with Energy medicine and with Psi.
If you ask me for more data, I will send you immediately.
With Energy medicine I can treat directly or at distance some severe diseases.
Please send me a request for any disease and I will reply what I am expecting to obtain with my bioenergetic treatment. Examples of diseases with efficient bioenergetic treatment:
Cancer
Multiple sclerosis
ALS
Some data about energy medicine in cancer
Description of a case. The female patient B.M., 22 years old was operated 2 years ago for a breast cancer (adenocarcinoma) and was now admitted for spastic paraparesis and hiperestezia, with the level T6-T7 and pain at the toracal spine. This symptomathology progressed in one month. The x-ray spine showed us T5 fracture with modyfied bone structure.
She received surgery and an alloplasty T5-T6 with autompoliemrizable cement was performed. The operation, was completely succesful and the sspinal cord was liberated. But, at 12 days postoperatory, the patient was still paraplegic.
A energy medicine procedure was performed and after some hours she start to move her left foot.
At the 6 months follow-up, she walk almost normal and come back to work.
Abstract of demonstration in laboratory.
Cerebral tumour cells damaged by emission of bioenergy (energy medicine)
Author : Nuţeanu Liviu, M.D.
Summary: In two experiences the destruction with bioenergy of cerebral malignant tumoral cells (oligodendroglioma and glioblastoma), every one on 24 probes in different dilutions, with witness lot, was successful in vitro. In the first experience, the destruction rate varied between 48.19-100%, depending on dilution, in comparison with 5.66 in the witness lot. In the second experience, was destroyed 77-100% by cancer cells, in comparison with 1.5% in the witness lot. The results were put in evidence with vital coloration, at approximately 10 minutes to the intraoperatory prelevation. In every experience were prepared (by cellular biology specialist M.D.), plates with 24 wells.
Recently I demonstrated I can destroy HIV at distance: 7 - 8.5% in comparison with 0% of the witness probe.
PSI
In the Psi field, I can stop hurricanes and earthquakes. Of course, if we can start a collaboration, I will send you more information.
For the earthquakes, I can demonstrate that I reduce at least to half the number and intensity of earthquakes in a chosen region from Japan, for at least 1 – 2 weeks. So you just follow the routine activity in Japan and you find the answer.
Looking forward to having news from you, and a very strong collaboration !
With warmest personally regards, I remain,
Sincerely yours,
Liviu
Liviu Nuteanu, MD, PhD
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